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We are pumping poison into the earth. Future generations will suffer because of our willful ignorance. To believe otherwise is folly.
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We are poor stewards of this planet.
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Someone please buy my book!!' For God sake BUY THE BOOK!
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Isn't Halliburton owned by or in part by the Bush family? That's what pisses of the tree huggers the most!!!!:D
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Thanks to all that posted.
I meant no offence with the "tree hugger" remark, IMO environmental care is everyone's concern. Finn |
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In a battle between you and a dollar, you will lose every single time if the government is the judge. |
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But the proceeds will go to the titty / car fund! |
You've obviously never had to deal with government regulators.
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I live in western PA. I have a lease. They hit big about 2 miles from me. However they are having a hard time with getting the pipeline ground bought up so they are drilling and capping but not pumping. Some places here are making $35k a month.
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Everyone who has an issue with fracking should just piss off. You dont know what the f you are talking about. I have some petroleum engineering hours to my credit as well as field experience. All acquifers and subteranian water zones are isolated via the wellbore being cased with steel pipe and encapsulated in concrete. The fracking fluids are injected only into petroleum bearing formations. To do otherwise is not economically feasisble. In Texas the Railroad Commission jealousley guards ground water supplies and insures that petroleum exploration does not cause contamination in any water supplies. At the depths we are talking about, any existing water levels are usually fraut with high levels of sulphur, various acids and other hydrocarbons to the extent that they are not and will never be a potable source of water. We can continue to develope secondary and teritary recovery methods for domestic assets or we can continue to fight, finance and generally continue towards economic obvlion by being dependent on foreign sources of petroleum.
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I'm sorry, but unless you are dependent on groundwater, and live in an area that is being heavily fracked you can piss off! SmileWavy At this point no one can say for sure what will happen in the long run, so forgive me for being leery and worrying about what could happen to our water supply. |
hmmmm...I think I can ;)
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This really funny reading both sides of the concerns. Here is the bottom line...there is no free lunch. Period.
You want warmth, you want electricy, you want a certain way of life you are going to have to pay one way or the other. Does hydraulic fracturing contribute to poisoning the water table? earthquakes? hydrocarbon release? use up water? Yes, of course it does but not to the extent you may think it does. And for those who think the gubmint is turning a blind eye to the dangers? Nope, your wrong. Granted the gubment is f'd in many ways but frack sites are so heavily looked at you would only wish they put the same mandates on food processing or the pharmicutical industry. Big oil, emerging frack plays and all the various industries involved have much to loose with a class action. Hey, I'm glad your all concerned. Keep being concerned. Hold the sons of guns to task. while your at it, get involved in your local politic. Make a difference. Be part of an educated solution instead of reacting like Chicken Little. You guys are smart, start making the world even better... |
Like what duPont used to say internally...The Solution to Pollution is Dilution...
(cesium formate is used is a drill lube, biodegradable and the SDS says its safe considering - I also believe it can be recycled) |
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Why is it that when educated adults interested in debating and learning start sharing their perspectives, insights, and concerns, some lame brain with keyboard muscles and stated credentials then proven questionable by his follow on words starts the bad mouthing and name calling? Am I surprised blk911 that you are from the blue section of the state...no.
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All I know is that each and every time I turn the faucet I want the lights to come on!
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Bob, you need to hire the three stooges as your plumbers.
Oops, actually I think they got it the other way around. Turn on the lights and the chandelier becomes a sprinkler. |
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One more time: Fracking is a good way to get at NG if and only if it does right. NG is an excellent intermediate term energy source (beats the H. out of coal) while we develop other energy sources, like PV Solar. |
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In lieu of buying your book I have purchased offsets and planted them in my yard. Anytime, really! No problemo! |
Yay cesium
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/pWXQ2tYzJaU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> And some of it is radioactive too. |
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Sodium v. Sodium Chloride - each react very different in water...
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but just think...if you buy my book and compare it to that article you will find complete agreement! And the data to prove it!!! And you will help contribute to my kids college fund!!!! And you will be considered really cool by me!!!!! And it will look great on your desk!!!!! |
Like it? I actually designed it! Yup, draw the wells and frack play in PowerPoint, put a cool background on it. Seriously. :)
I guess this means I'm a narsisis like cockerpunk and Shumi? Hmmmmm, good company anyways... http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1377400260.jpg |
Gee, that Oliver Rudd guy must have been so excited to have been able to work with a man of your stature.
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Hey, let me shove this up yer butt, down your throat, stick crap on yer land, inject stuff down belowground and pull stuff out, if the land collapses, water gets crappy, yer wife kicks out a two headed kid or it looks like Sammy or ZMan....if'n it screws ya up, ain't my fault.
So.....who protects you? Just a question from someone who actually DID protect people for 30 years........ Screwing with the environment w/o doing your homework for a check? Cry me a river, wankers...... |
Why are there any chemicals needed at all? If its hydraulic pressure splitting the earth to release trapped o/g, why does a chemical work any better than sea water (as an example)?
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Flieger you have no idea....really, you have no idea.
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gsxrken, over 90% is water but other things are required to get the most bang for your buck. The recipe changes from play to play depending on the geology. Even the proppants differ. It is a very well kept secret as to the exact nature and concentrations but in actuallity pretty much all the chemicals used are fairly common - most you have under your sink in one form or fashion...
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People need to know that at 10k feet depth, we're working with an environment that is over 200 degrees and several thousand PSI. Normal things like water and simple chemicals react quite differently at those non-laboratory environments. Deep wells (not fraking wells, but deep Gulf of Mexico wells) are over 450 degrees and 25K-30K PSI. Imagine the chemistry at the bottom of THAT well... |
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