Interesting... that Porsche concept came from another person...

[1-ev.com]

1st Part:
Interesting... that Porsche concept came from another person... Joseph Ganz, at least ACCORDING TO THIS WEBSITE (I HAVE ON AFFILIATION WITH THEM, JUST BRINGING TO YOUR ATTENTION!).

Look at the last 3 pics: Adolf Hitler's Manager Ferdinand Porsche - * * * * * * * * Porsche 911 T P 911 T Prototype 911 Rare Antique* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *The 901 235 3

2nd part: (just for reference)
Also, they claim they have prototype Porsche... thread is here "Prototype" 911 on ebay for $16,000,000. Please discuss. and ebay is here for $16,000,000 ($16M) Porsche : 911 Prototype in Porsche | eBay Motors

[porsche4life]

So you searched it..... Found where we all decided it was BS, and then decided to post it again?

[black73]

But, I think it has been pretty well confirmed that the beetle idea was "borrowed".


Both the streamlined design and the technical specifications, especially the air-cooled flat-four engine mounted in the back, give the T97 a striking resemblance to the KdF-Wagen of Volkswagen, which later became the Beetle. It is believed that Porsche used Tatra's designs since he was under huge pressure to design the Volkswagen quickly and cheaply.[2] According to the books Tatra - The Legacy of Hans Ledwinka and Car Wars, Adolf Hitler said of the Tatra 'this is the car for my roads'.[2][3] Ferdinand Porsche later admitted 'to have looked over Ledwinka's shoulders' while designing the Volkswagen.[2][4]
Tatra sued Porsche for damages, and Porsche was willing to settle. However, Hitler canceled this, saying he 'would settle the matter.' [5] When Czechoslovakia was invaded by the Nazis, the production of the T97 was immediately halted, and the lawsuit dropped. After the war, Tatra reopened the lawsuit against Volkswagen. In 1967, the matter was settled when Volkswagen paid Tatra 3,000,000 Deutsche Mark in compensation.[





Tatra 97 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[1-ev.com]

Originally Posted by porsche4life

So you searched it..... Found where we all decided it was BS, and then decided to post it again?

Yes, I've searched it and NO, I wanted to post on my 1st part and just added 2nd part as a reference...

[john70t]

IIRC, in his book We at Porsche: the autobiography of Dr. Ing. h.c. Ferry Porsche - Ferry Porsche, John Bentley - Google Books Ferry dismissed the claim, but there are quite a lot of similarities.

That website starts hinting at some extremist views though.
I wouldn't be surprised if he started demanding the Porsche factory be moved back to Tel Aviv lol.

On the subject of 'stealing' or 'borrowing' a design:
I'm pretty sure that before the Tatra car there were torsion bars, 4-cyl engines, rear engines, pancake engines, rounded monochassis, rounded fender flairs, removable fenders, removable wheels, steering wheels, opening doors, door handles, etc.

Manufactures openly copy other designs today, just as much as they did back in the 1920s.
It's interesting to think about what defines "influencing" vs. "stealing".

[Joe Bob]

Old news.....

Ford was told he had to get a license to produce the automobile, the idea was patented. He went to the Supreme court and won. The idea was owned by a guy that made wagons.....

[tcar]

It's not uncommon...

Tatra - VW

MGB was copied from the Renault Floride

Karmann Ghia was copied (shamlessly) from a Plymouth concept car.

Etc., etc.

[Joe Bob]

Kind of a stretch, but OK....


HowStuffWorks "1952, 1953, 1954 Chrysler Special and D\'Elegance Concept Cars"

[john70t]

One thing I dont understand:

If the nazis invaded Czechoslovakia, stole the plans, and copied verbatim...
Why was the multi-million dollar lawsuit started before the war, and continued afterwards?

('Multi-million' meant something back in those days)

[nota]

Originally Posted by john70t

One thing I dont understand:

If the nazis invaded Czechoslovakia, stole the plans, and copied verbatim...
Why was the multi-million dollar lawsuit started before the war, and continued afterwards?

('Multi-million' meant something back in those days)

czech invasion was after the beetle was designed
most likely the lawsuit was in czech money or rMarks

but before hitler german money inflation was nuts
I have postage stamp that was 500,000marks
and so common as to be worthless

[Chuck Moreland]

I did get a chance to inspect a Tatra.

I was at a private VW collection viewing and this was tucked away in the back of a workshop. I didn't know what it was but it looked very Beetle-esq. Then saw the Tatra badging.

It was all there. Rear engine, air cooled, torsion bar, approximate Beetle shape.

The Tatra was a larger car, and if I recall correctly had a flat 8.

The Beetle basic layout was copied, straight up.

[intakexhaust]

Originally Posted by 1-ev.com

1st Part:
Interesting... that Porsche concept came from another person... Joseph Ganz, at least ACCORDING TO THIS WEBSITE (I HAVE ON AFFILIATION WITH THEM, JUST BRINGING TO YOUR ATTENTION!).

Look at the last 3 pics: Adolf Hitler's Manager Ferdinand Porsche - * * * * * * * * Porsche 911 T P 911 T Prototype 911 Rare Antique* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *The 901 235 3

2nd part: (just for reference)
Also, they claim they have prototype Porsche... thread is here "Prototype" 911 on ebay for $16,000,000. Please discuss. and ebay is here for $16,000,000 ($16M) Porsche : 911 Prototype in Porsche | eBay Motors

Hey, maybe I can just rebadge a 356 with this, post it on fleabay and most certain would be the only one in existence. Maybe enhance the value a bit more and claim Dr. Ledwinka furz near it

[M.D. Holloway]

I think the Greeks were the first to come up with it...Italians stole it from them...