It is "who."
I would say that exactly the opposite is true in my experience.
To me, this is a vitally important point.


Friend of mine in Texas was a PhD guy for NASA, got bored and went to medical school. The medical group he was working for pissed him off, so he quit. He went and did a fellowship in infectious disease while his non-compete clause was running out, came back and opened up across the street from their clinic. When his father passed away, he got a bunch of dough, went out and bought an SL500. He bought it because it was fast and sounded cool.

When I worked at RTP, NC, the area was touted as having the highest concentration of advanced degress in the world (long since surpassed by the Silicon Valley). I would venture that most of their "education" comes after obtaining their degrees however :p

You guys are just so humble and generous. In many other forums the OP question could easily have turned into a pissing contest but so far this is among the nicest threads in quite a while. Many of you almost seem reluctant to mention your level of education although we know its extensive.
Intelligence comes in many forms. Some people use it to take them through a designated education, some don´t. Others are neither intelligent, nor educated and yet lead a very fulfilling and happy life.
Among my family and friends I have one of the highest levels of formal education but I definitely regard myself as one of the less intelligent on many levels.

Give yourselves a big applaud, guys! :)

Intelligence is how quickly you can pick up and understand concepts and or shall we say solve problems. The next level is can you abstract them spatialy? The level of formal education one has attained is a totally different matter from intelligence, formal education is a matter of ones abilty to persevere. However one thinks that there is a correlation in being intelligent and being able to persevere. Also emotional matters and life history play a role in ones abilty to attain higher educational goals. Emotional bias's can also limit ones ability to harness ones intelligence in that emotions become distractions which act as roadblocks to clear thinking.

I listen to people and can hear the limitations in their thinking by the way that they articulate their thoughts both in written and aural form. Of all the people on this Board Nostatus has the most HP under the hood and is the quickest down the straight away. He also understands duality, which is the ability to see opposing and or conflicting pov's in an argument at the same time. I have said as much before.

One can not truly learn things from a book nor manual, one has to be able to understand mechanisms and process and that comes from the experience of taking it apart and putting it back together again, until the model works flawlessly. Further every new piece of information or data has to be tested to see if the system still maintains it's integrity, in other words does the model still work flawlessly. If the model doesn't work the model has to be modified until it does work flawlessly once again. In other words one has to find out why things work the way that they do, what makes the system tick and that tells one how it operates?

Refer to my post, #30.

[QUOTE=KC911;7794831 Have you learned more in a classroom, or "out in the real world" on your own? [/QUOTE]

MS Materials Engineering - but I retired from engineering when I was in my 30s.
I'm sure I learned more intensely in college, but you can't compare the seven best years of my life (Animal House reference there) to 60+ years out in the world.

Two of my oldest friends are brothers. Both have the same Mech. Engineering degrees from the same Univ. of Waterloo.in Canada Both attended at the same time Early 70,s.
and graduated with similar grades.
Then and today I would seek one out for the technical answer with proper footnotes.
I would seek out the other one who would not know where it was in a reference text or journal BUT would be able to fix it.
The theoretical vs the applied engineer. Same degree. One could tell me how, the other could show me how.
I respect them and their degrees ,and knowledge both equally.

My sister and her husband are both Veterinarians, They met at University in 1972. My sister graduated at the top of her class, awards for Pharma ,small animal surgery and another. Her husband not so much but he did graduate.
Today they still work together just like the two brothers I mentioned earlier.

My wife went to St. John's College in Annapolis as an undergrad: St. John’s College
Masters in Systems Engineering from the Navy Post Graduate School.

Amazing place, St. John's College: The Great Books, Homer, Euclid, Du Bois, Virgil, Descartes, etc. and onward.

She conceptualizes, understands and communicates the nuances of complex systems better than anyone I have ever met.

I am quite a bit more ham fisted, well trained in many things but a bit of a plumber otherwise: I share the admiration of many here directed towards the arts, music and literature.

I have a BS in Economics, a BA in International Studies, a BS in Finance and an MS in Systems Engineering. I was half way to an MBA when I decided to become a Rotorhead.

As the OP my question referred to 'bestowed degrees'. Nothing to do with intelligence or income.

(I personally am educated beyond my intelligence so I stopped before a PhD was earned)

Wasn't there also a Doctor of Fluffology here?

Wasn't there also a Doctor of Fluffology here?[/QUOTE]
I think it's a mastery of "Pettifogery" you are thinking of.

Exactly, doctor of medicine.

MPH is something I have considered, but not seriously. A decade of education after high school is enough.

No kidding! I worked with carbon and kevlar fiber composite testing and analysis for a couple of years back in the day. On one on-going project the Air Force would send us these panels to be tested for damage or deterioration. They told us they were test panels that they were putting on C130s for analysis. When they got an F -117 at the Air Force Museum I walked around it just looking at it and, what do you know, the wheel bay door was the panel we had been evaluating for years.

From Cal Berkley, he fails to mention.

You can always tell the smart people...they're the ones who are not telling you how smart they are. ^^^ :)

He would be very high on the list.

Formal education aside, I thinks it's smart to apply oneself toward self-acceptance.
Nothing like inner peace!
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Back to the topic. :)

I would also say that Intelligence is:

- Taking your race car to the dyno shop after a winter of repairs or even just sitting (an hour at the dyno shop is worth at least 4 fiddling on the track... Wayne Baker)

- Taking it easy on the pace lap and also in the warm up sessions.

- Braking early if that driver behind you caught you and wants to pass.

- Running through the pre-race check list even if you are tired.

- Run a patch or two down the barrel of a new rifle or one that has sat for a while before shooting it.

- Treat every gun like it is loaded.

- Only do something if you would do it in front of your mother or want her to know about it.

- Always spell check your forum posts, those possibly stupid comments look even worse if they are misspelled.

Remember you can have all schooling and education possible but, stupidity is instantaneous!

I have nuthing to ad to this topick.

another good point - I used to have a list of famous college dropouts and I put the list up for freshman biology class

of course, then I'd say, "most of us should stay in school - it's easier than trying to self-educate... but if you fit into this list then maybe drop out and change the world of computing or discover special relativity, etc."

His intelligence is readily obvious! Just goes to show you that even an intelligent person can be misguided politically. :D

I'm just a cook.