No they don't. Labor laws protect employees. Unions have gone the way of the dinosaur. Unions do nothing for employees anymore except EXTORT. Total Liberal hogwash. This entire thread is nothing but documented Union abuses.

PS Nice Fox news and Conservative analogies- Your critical thinking skills are outstanding.

I kind of outgrew your satire in 6th grade.

rjp

You're so smart, you printed in green~! Envy.....

On this forum it means sarcasm.

rjp

More whiz-dom from you.

' This entire thread is nothing but documented Union abuses.'

Like I said, and I'll type slowly, is that yes, there are and have been documented abuses by Unions and Union labor. I do not disavow that that has happened. Am I happy about that? No, I'm not, I'm all for fairness in the workplace, Union or not.

And, that is the key phrase. Fairness in the workplace. Getting rid of Unions based on yours and others perception of whatever, is not a good idea. Unions have and will provide a hedge or stopgap to the overall lowering of wages in our Country. After WWII, which you and others can't stop blathering about, Unions helped create the middle class. Since then, Corporatist America has done nothing but to stop the Middle Class from growing. They are now succeeding to send America back to pre-war America. Are you happy with that?

Even you and your miss-guided whatevers, should take a second, or, however long it might take, to really think about your beliefs. You'll be surprised!

No they don't. Things have changed since WWII. We are no longer the only manufacturing powerhouse in the world. One thing that never gets mentioned is the growing industrialization in other countries. With our current laws, wage requirements, environmental regs and UNIONS- it's become more cost effective to farm out those unskilled Union jobs.

Unions always always kill their host. There's a reason why the numbers of unions are declining- They either kill the businesses they are leeched onto, or (Like Boeing is doing)- simply moves everything to non-union places.

It isn't because they provide a tangible benefit to their members, that's a given. That's why they self destruct. Look what happened to the public unions in WI- given the option to STOP mandatory payments, the members took it. Union revenues sunk because NO ONE SAW VALUE IN PAYING THEM.

You want cheap Nikes, and a fat paycheck for installing lug nuts, when a kid in Bangladesh will do it as well (if not quieter!) than the average Union goon.

Can't have it both ways- either we adapt by making the pricing more competitive by farming out labor to cheaper places that qualify, or we SINK on a global level, being overpriced thanks to the Union.

rjp

No they don't. Things have changed since WWII. We are no longer the only manufacturing powerhouse in the world. One thing that never gets mentioned is the growing industrialization in other countries. With our current laws, wage requirements, environmental regs and UNIONS- it's become more cost effective to farm out those unskilled Union jobs.

Ugh, a bunch of lies. Things have NOT changed since WWII. We can be a manufacturing powerhouse. Chinese, Indonesian, cheap stuff isn't needed in our country, and if you really look at it, you'd admit it. In fact, manufacturing has gone up considerably since GW been in office, just look it up. Unfortunately, for me an others, this increase is due primarily to the increase in oil-fracking in the Us. I'm dead set against this because of Big Oil's unrelenting push to ignore the environmental consequences. And that is because of Dick Cheney's efforts to exempt the oil-whore-fracking industry from the 2005 clean water act. He and GW, and rumsfield should be in jail for crimes against humanity. History will prove this to be true.

Look what happened to the public unions in WI- given the option to STOP mandatory payments, the members took it. Union revenues sunk because NO ONE SAW VALUE IN PAYING THEM.

Geesh, another lie. This was not a Union members quest. Nope, is was Gov. Goofy Walker and his right wing nutball clones in the assembly, that did this. Guess what, and I live in Wi, he's done. No presidential aspirations for this college dropout. He's done.

'You want cheap Nikes, and a fat paycheck for installing lug nuts, when a kid in Bangladesh will do it as well (if not quieter!) than the average Union goon.'

Really? That's the best you can do? Gee, what other minority-driven thoughts do you have?

'Can't have it both ways- either we adapt by making the pricing more competitive by farming out labor to cheaper places that qualify, or we SINK on a global level, being overpriced thanks to the Union.'

Well, guess what? Americans want quality, and at a fair price. You and yours, can't have it both ways.

Blame bush, and attempt to call me a racist because I said "Bangladesh"- LOL.

PS- There's the flaw in your argument. We're not the only consumers of American goods anymore. What makes you think a multinational company only has the USA as a consumer?

Here's a hint- the USA is 20th century- the new growth in the 21st century (and consumer pool) is Asia.

Frankly, I'm reporting all this post-mortem. Unions and basically dead, despite what you claim. WI proved it- no one wants to pay the Unions anymore, and facts and stats don't lie. They are going the way of the buggy whip.

Facts are friendly.

rjp

I could provide "data" to support the exact opposite of your conclusion if that was my purpose and I had nothing better to do. There are so many variables related to happiness, production and engagement other than union presence, the very idea that your research concludes what you claim is completely ludicrous.

How do you measure happiness? If I were to speculate, I would say the worker without union rep is afraid to speak his mind, afraid for his job, family, way of life, etc., probably thought you were working for the mgmt to weed out malcontents, while the union man can say exactly what is on his mind without fear of reprisal.

Another option for Union members-

Move to Vietnam! Plenty of labor jobs there!!!

You union guys have been so brainwashed about "Us vs Them" it isn't even funny anymore. My God, there are laws preventing discrimination and retaliation in the workplace.

It's the 21st century, get with it already.

rjp

Wisconsin teachers union in full collapse!

Woooo! 88% drop! Absolute rout!!

"Among Wisconsin’s fastest declining unions is AFSCME Council 24, which has seen a jaw dropping 88% (5,900 to 690) reduction in its dues paying members.
Another union, the WSEU, has shrunk from 22,000 members before Act 10, to less than 10,000 as of last December.
Wisconsin’s AFSCME Council 40 has lost 35% of its membership (31,730 in 2011 to 20,488 today).
Council 48 situated in Milwaukee County had 9,043 members two years ago. Today, it has 3,498 dues paying members."

Read more at Wisconsin teachers

Do you guys have some sort of propaganda play book? Your posts contain zero real content and zero critical thinking, only regurgitated nonsense. I'd be curious how you explain the non-union Toyota truck plant in San Antonio, which refused to lay off workers and instead paid them to go out and work in the community. Obviously a case of evil management trying to keep the working man down.

Unfortunately, your "data" would have to be questionable if it supported your argument.

Gallop has surveyed and researched this for years and always comes up with the same conclusion, non-union workers are more satisfied and more engaged than union workers. I will point out however, that management typically tries more and is more innovative in a non-union shop. In a union shop, both sides tend to default to the language of the contract, which typically doesn't support new ideas.

Hang on there good buddy - who you calling under educated?

- you misspelled "hypothesis"
- reckon is slang (and fairly hick)
- "perceptions" are things perceived, not researched or surveyed
- "it's" is a contraction meaning "it is." The correct word is "its", the possessive pronoun.

As for your assertion that Fox viewers are under educated, I would ask for your proof? Or look in a mirror.

I'm no genius to be sure, but I don't go around calling people I disagree with under educated. The guy whose post you disagreed with seemed pretty sharp to me.

Right. Eight pages of hate filled anecdotes, and you want blame the union guy for the "Us vs Them". Classic.

Right, again! There are laws preventing discrimination and retaliation in the workplace, thanks to organized labor. As unions lose influence, the laws become weaker. Coincidence? I don't think so, since it is the same politicians that seek to weaken or destroy the unions are the same ones that are erasing the protection laws from the books.

....LOL hate filled- why not call me a racist and misogynist while you're at it. "Hate" isn't what you think it means. Union goons try to screw a little kid and that's what you have to say?

Do you really believe what you post?

My God.
:rolleyes:
rjp

As stated, there are many cases of corrupt union activities. I get it. But there are many many more stories of good activities and protection in aviation. People who say unions aren't needed today are on crack. They are need more today than ever. In certain industries. You would not want to fly on an airline whose pilots are not unionized. Trust me. I just got furloughed last summer and the union contract SAVED countless jobs. The company is downsizing in a major way and was out to do that process in anyway they saw fit, as in furloughing out of seniority order, displacing people to other air frames out of order which would mean huge pay cuts for many, etc. I could go on and on. That union also protected many pilots against management's wrong doings like firing guys for writing up "too many MX concerns", etc. Geez, don't get me started...

That being said, do I think the baggers at Ralphs need a union? No. Cetain other industries, absolutely.