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Flieger 01-31-2014 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 5String43 (Post 7885462)
Looks like Adrian Newey is being forced to rethink the Red Bull's packaging. Components were getting so hot that burn spots were showing up on the bodywork, according to reports.

Something else that's interesting is that Alonzo says the driving style required for the new cars isn't that different. Massa, meanwhile, says the driving style is considerably different. Hmm.
Well, to be fair Massa is in his first season of F1 not powered by Ferrari, so it should be different for him.

Flieger 01-31-2014 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by rusnak (Post 7883250)
Today was the first time anyone has seen the new McLaren rear suspension area. Very interesting, and it appears to be good for a half second. The upper sidepods looked bulky to me before, but it now appears that they channel air onto the rear winglets. And Jenson Button will now continue to test on Day 3. He also revealed that Merc and McLaren are splitting the workload among both teams testing the engine mapping. So no one knows just how fast Merc or McLaren will be until the first race.

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Originally Posted by Captain Ahab Jr (Post 7883278)
^^^ that is clever use of the wishbone rules, I like that kind of thinking

It is meant to increase downforce on slow corners and reduce high speed drag

Hard to tell how effective it is as no one is doing any real lap times

The Renualt engined cars are having lots of teething trouble, total laps from day 2 are,

Mercedes - 50 (199 total)
Ferrari - 43 (86 total)
Renault - 6 (11 total)

I'm sure they will get on top of everything but its not what they need to understand how to get the best from the different powered systems on the car

The Maurussia will be revealed this morning, expect another ugly nose
If those attach to the wishbones they how are they not movable aerodynamic devices?

javadog 01-31-2014 05:27 PM
Those ARE the wishbones...

JR

Flieger 01-31-2014 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 7886447)
Those ARE the wishbones...

JR
So then how are they not moving aero devices? I thought suspension pieces had to be a symmetrical airfoil.

javadog 01-31-2014 05:35 PM
I'm not familiar with all of the details of the rule. These are in a grey area, I think.

We'll see if they stay on the car...

JR

Tervuren 01-31-2014 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Flieger (Post 7886449)
So then how are they not moving aero devices? I thought suspension pieces had to be a symmetrical airfoil.
Team's have designed them for low drag, this has resulted in the thin suspension pieces we are familiar with in the past. However, with more power, and a rules package aimed at lowering rear downforce even more, Mclaren is taking a gamble that this will be legal, and that they can sacrifice drag for downforce in a way that pays off in laptimes.

There is a "box" so to speak that the suspension design can fit in - this fits in the "box".

Noah930 01-31-2014 07:08 PM
I thought there was a rule that the fore-aft length of a suspension piece could be no more than 3 times its height (or something like that).

BRPORSCHE 01-31-2014 08:15 PM
Here is a good article on the McLaren 'butterfly' wishbones.

A closer look at McLaren's butterfly suspension - F1technical.net

TheMentat 02-01-2014 08:25 AM
I have to admit, the V6's don't sound too bad. They don't have the high pitched scream that we've come to associate with F1, but they certainly sound "extreme" (for lack of a better description). Cool technical whine to them as well...

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Noah930 02-01-2014 08:31 AM
As a 930 guy, I love those turbo noises: the whistle, the waste gate.

bell 02-01-2014 01:47 PM
No wastegate on the current f1 engine, boost is controlled by the ers in the turbo.......

yellowperil 02-01-2014 02:33 PM
[QUOTE=TheMentat;7887161]I have to admit, the V6's don't sound too bad. They don't have the high pitched scream that we've come to associate with F1, but they certainly sound "extreme" (for lack of a better description). Cool technical whine to

Thanks man, Great vid, wild sound

VincentVega 02-01-2014 03:53 PM
Ah, the good old days. Sure do miss the sounds from the V10.

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Fingers crossed for this season, only up from here.

motion 02-01-2014 05:23 PM
They sure don't sound like F1 cars, but they do sound great!

Flieger 02-01-2014 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by VincentVega (Post 7887924)
Ah, the good old days. Sure do miss the sounds from the V10.

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Fingers crossed for this season, only up from here.
I miss the days when they ran v12s, v10s, v8s, all in the same season, or when you could have flat 12, v12, v8, or turbo v6, or turbo inline 4. Whatever you wanted as long as it was within the equivalent displacement rule.

Henry Schmidt 02-01-2014 06:11 PM
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Noah930 02-01-2014 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by bell (Post 7887748)
No wastegate on the current f1 engine, boost is controlled by the ers in the turbo.......
Then what's that high-pitched whistling on decel?

javadog 02-02-2014 04:34 AM
That's the driver screaming, hoping his regenerative braking is going to work as intended on the way into the corner.

Watching that video... the cars sure do look slow this year. Obviously some of them are barely running but I hope they don't look like that all year. Coming out of the corners, they looked like they were on a cool-down lap.

JR

Tervuren 02-02-2014 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 7888436)
That's the driver screaming, hoping his regenerative braking is going to work as intended on the way into the corner.

Watching that video... the cars sure do look slow this year. Obviously some of them are barely running but I hope they don't look like that all year. Coming out of the corners, they looked like they were on a cool-down lap.

JR
You must of been watching cool down laps. I've seen some vids of the Merc and Ferrari engined cars and when they put their foot down its @_@.

New rules on noses, wings, and width of car have made an attempt to reduce cornering speeds, so that may take a little time to sort out.

javadog 02-02-2014 08:29 AM
I was watching the video in post #29, above.

JR


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