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TechnoViking 03-13-2014 09:32 AM

Teach me about drill bit sharpening
 
I have a bunch of old bits from various places. Many of them are dull. I'm wondering if it's worth it to try and sharpen them.

There are several styles of sharpeners out there. Ones that look like a pencil sharpener, and ones that are basically a jig that holds the bit in your desktop grinder.

I heard that once the bits become hot, from use or grinding, they are ruined. So should I try to sharpen them or just throw them out?

Thx,

DRONE 03-13-2014 10:07 AM

If they are just dull with no big chips on the cutting surface by it is fairly easy to sharpen them by hand using a bench top grinder.
start with the largest drills first, with the cutting edge perpindicular to the stone and follow the old grind

AutoSpeed - Sharpening Drill Bits

URY914 03-13-2014 10:15 AM

My Drill Doctor is one of the best things I ever bought for my shop.

herr_oberst 03-13-2014 10:17 AM

^^^ +1

pete3799 03-13-2014 10:20 AM

+ 1 on the Drill Doctor

gwmac 03-13-2014 10:25 AM

Drill Doctor, or
check out MRPETE222 on you tube, he has several videos about drill bits plus machining, casting and a ton of other shop topics

RWebb 03-13-2014 11:02 AM

1. the angle is different for metal than for wood

2. don't draw the temper

1990C4S 03-13-2014 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 7959751)
My Drill Doctor is one of the best things I ever bought for my shop.

Which model?

Bob Kontak 12-09-2020 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1990C4S (Post 7959870)
Which model?

Same here. I am looking at the $60 one but you can spend way more on a Drill Doctor. I just have standard fare drills up to 1/2. A few over that with smaller shanks for wood.

Would this one fly for a DIY guy? My drills are sofa king pathetic. Must have 100 of them. Like two work that I stole from the shop in my machinist days......in the 70's.

https://www.amazon.com/Drill-Doctor-Sharpener-Engineered-Versatility/dp/B000BKX9CU/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3MKBKOEAT58CJ&dchild=1&keywords=dr ill+doctor&qid=1607554537&sprefix=drill+doctor%2Ca ps%2C442&sr=8-3

URY914 12-09-2020 02:16 PM

Sorry I'd see this reply.

I have the $60 model. Works wonders for what I need.

matthewb0051 12-09-2020 02:18 PM

My sharpening method is get in car and go to hardware store for a new bit.

This is enlightening!

Bob Kontak 12-09-2020 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 11135792)
Sorry I'd see this reply.

I have the $60 model. Works wonders for what I need.

Sweet. I'm going to send that link to my daughter. No subject. No text. Just do a little Christmas fishing.

908/930 12-09-2020 02:39 PM

Most drill bits are made from high speed steel, they can get quite hot and not have a problem, not quite red hot.

Very easy by hand with a reg pedestal grinder, at least for bits larger than 1/8 or so, smaller can be done but really good eye site req. The point the bit can be smaller angle 60 deg for soft metals, and flatter 118 deg for general metals, for grinding all you are doing other then producing an edge is to relieve the metal behind the edge, too flat and you get more friction, too relieved and the edge is weak. Try to keep the cutting surface lengths the same length, unless you need the bit to cut oversize then you can make one longer, just rest the bit on your finger near the wheel, bit cutting edge facing up and horizontal gently push into the wheel while moving the back of the drill bit down with your other hand, start with a 1/4 to 3/8 bit so you can see what you have created.

For soft materials and plastics you can grind the face of the drill bit flat or negative angle, keeps the bit from corkscrewing into the material.

Bob Kontak 12-09-2020 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 908/930 (Post 11135829)
Very easy by hand with a reg pedestal grinder

I struggle with smaller bits. Sometimes I hit it right, sometimes I don't.

matthewb0051 mentions going to the store and buying a new one. I did that yesterday and sprung six big ones for a Dewalt 1/4 drill bit. It cut through the center of the hard, broken off exhaust bolt with relative ease.

I'm done with by hand. I use a drill once a month and it's usually in some God awful, horrid situation.

wdfifteen 12-09-2020 03:20 PM

https://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/1012570-finally-getting-organized-here-2.html

Got to post 25 for my experiences with Drill Doctor. It's OK if you have a lot of drills. The best job of drill sharpening I've ever seen was done on a vertical belt grinder.

Bill Douglas 12-09-2020 03:36 PM

I've never sharpened a drill in my life.

But I'm guess in the case of high speed steel drills; you would only want to take 50 or 100 microns off?

I have a whole lot of good quality drill bits that could do with a freshen up. I also just tend to buy new ones.

peppy 12-09-2020 04:00 PM

+1 on the drill DR.
The best thing I have done for drilling metal is step bits. I've had a set for 15 years and I still use them on a regular basis, they are a bit dull but you can put a lot or pressure on one,

Bob Kontak 12-09-2020 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Douglas (Post 11135924)
I've never sharpened a drill in my life.

But I'm guess in the case of high speed steel drills; you would only want to take 50 or 100 microns off?

I have a whole lot of good quality drill bits that could do with a freshen up. I also just tend to buy new ones.

Sometimes you have to grind it 1/2 inch or more shorter if the flutes have been chewed up.

Then you start from scratch and best to thin the web. I wish I had a really thin wheel for that.

Por_sha911 12-09-2020 04:08 PM

There are titanium coated bits, carbon steel bits, hardened steel bits. Does one machine handle all those different metals?
The $60 drill doc "sharpens standard drill bits".

908/930 12-09-2020 04:08 PM

With HSS drill bits you can sharpen down until there is no flute left, as you get closer to the bottom the web gets thicker, no big deal just grind it thinner. Really a couple of degrees of clearance behind the cutting edge is all that is needed. Many years as a machinist when younger, working with stainless steel, really tough on tooling.

look 171 12-09-2020 04:08 PM

Bench top grinder is my friend. I am the only idiot that sharpen drill bits. None of my guys do it and they will keep turning that damn thing until they burn the house down or even easier, they go and get a new one. Onve every few months, I sit by the bench grinder, coffee in hand and somehow, 20-30 min later, they are all sharp again.

Match up the lip angle and gently touch the grinding wheel. Its all you will need. Try and not get past the chisel edge. Repart on the other side. It takes 15 seconds. Don't jam the damn thing in there. Light pressure is all it takes. It is as good as a pro, or the drill doctor? Hell no, but its about 90-95% as good.

Oh have some water ready to cool off larger bits.

Bob Kontak 12-09-2020 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peppy (Post 11135959)
+1 on the drill DR.
The best thing I have done for drilling metal is step bits. I've had a set for 15 years and I still use them on a regular basis, they are a bit dull but you can put a lot or pressure on one,

Just bought step bits to make a hole in an exhaust pipe for a welded in OXY sensor bung. I was impressed with the cutting.

Bob Kontak 12-09-2020 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Por_sha911 (Post 11135974)
There are titanium coated bits, carbon steel bits, hardened steel bits. Does one machine handle all those different metals?
The $60 drill doc "sharpens standard drill bits".

It's a diamond grinding wheel. Suspect if the collet can grab it it will grind it to the chosen angle - which is 118 degrees on the $60 jobbie.

beran earms 12-10-2020 02:48 AM

908/930 sums it up perfectly! I'm a custom furniture maker and I sharpen all of my own bits, of all different styles. I use many different materials in my work and sharpen accordingly, wood, plastics, ferrous and nonferrous metals. Just look at what needs to be achieved and how to get there. I use no jigs or gadgets which will only clutter collect dust and be forgotten about anyway.

Bob Kontak 12-10-2020 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beran earms (Post 11136262)
I use no jigs or gadgets which will only clutter collect dust and be forgotten about anyway.

Why muddy the waters with facts. :D

I'll do a little testing with the Drill Doctor as almost every drill I have is a perfect before/after candidate.

With respect to the Best Set of Drills thread, my best set is the two Dewalt 1/4" titanium coated ones I bought two days ago.

flipper35 12-10-2020 06:25 AM

The Project Farm YouTube channel had a video on the different sharpeners as well. DD did well.

1990C4S 12-10-2020 08:02 AM

I thought everyone just took new drill bits from their workplace. That's what I do.

911 Rod 12-10-2020 08:14 AM

Is it just me that collects old/dull drill bits?
I inherited most from my father who had the same infliction!
Maybe I should sharpen them.

Jeff Alton 12-10-2020 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 7959751)
My Drill Doctor is one of the best things I ever bought for my shop.

This....

Have had one for about 18 years......

hcoles 12-11-2020 06:49 AM

I have the higher end (provides for smaller diameters) DD. Works fine - been using it for years.


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