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Police Dashcam: Cops Gone Wild - YouTube


Happened upon this video. The level of stupid on display here is mind boggling. How a minor traffic stop escalates into this situation beggars belief. Im referring to the woman driving the people mover, not the police.

And then to attempt a high speed runner with loaded mini bus full of children...incredible.

However- imho- the police should have called off the chase. She could've killed herself, her kids and some poor schmuck driving down the road. They knew who she was, they had the film. Pick her up quietly and hour later when the situation had defused.

I agree that lady is quite a fool.

I feel that cop #1 was in a pretty tough situation and showed a lot of restraint.

The officer who fired the shots was suspended and (if i recall correctly) later fired.

Yes. I forgot about the shooting. Its hard to believe that any police firearm policy would sanction firing at a fleeing target that is posing no imminent threat to life. Let alone a van full of kids.

The cop should have shot her... Good thing I'm not a cop, I cannot deal with idiots like that...

I don't think he explained it well, at first I didn't get it until I realized that you can plead guilty now and pay... ...or go to court. You were just cited for breaking the law.

It was clear she kept hoping he would let her off... She also did not want to accept that driving away meant she was going in. How about the cop shooting at the car as she drove off the second time, what was that for?. That was over the top.
Once it escalated so fast when the guy got out and started swinging (boy was that dumb) I think she freaked out. She drove into the next public building she could find and surrendered. She certainly made a LOT of bad decisions hoping to de-escalate but the cop wouldn't budge enough to her liking.

Still...Shooting was NOT justified there and the other cop was out of line too don't you think?

The guy who tried to take the officer's gun should have been shot, too...This just pisses me off...

OMG! that was just like the keystone cops!

The original arresting officer cop should have shot her son dead. The woman should write a letter thanking the officers for their professional conduct, and their admirable show of restraint.

A position difficult for a nutless Limey to get his head around.

I think a year or two in jail should fix it. She was crazy.

The lady deserves a swift kick in the face....as does the jerk off who opened fire on the car....
The original arresting officer appeared to handle things pretty well though.

Why do some people think the laws don't apply to them? She couldn't make a decision, so she thought it was alright to drive off.

When the kid came out of the van the first time, Cop should have made the kid get on the ground at gun point and cuff him.

In your boundless enthusiasm to attempt insult, you may have inadvertently neglected to read the OP.

The cop did a lousy job of explaining her options. We all have the right to legal council and he didn't mention lawyer once. I'm still wondering if the way he explained it to her was correct. Your only options are plead guilty immediately or go to court? You can't discuss it with your atty and plead guilty if he says it's the best course of action? I hope it's true that the cop who started shooting at a van full of kids got fired. Kudos to the mom for standing up for herself and to the kid for trying to protect her from an out of control cop trying to drag her out of the safety of her car.

For a $125 fine she sure bought herself a lot of grief. Dumbass. Agreed cop #1 showed a lot of restraint, Cop #2 not so much.

Out of control cop? In the beginning, are you kidding me? Did you actually watch the video? He told her to either sign to pay a ticket or see a judge, she refused to do either.

Are you serious?!

If that was a guy he would be pulling gravel out of his teeth the first time he didn't respond to get out of your car, or have a bullet in the head....

[QUOTE=wdfifteen;7968840]The cop did a lousy job of explaining her options. We all have the right to legal council and he didn't mention lawyer once. I'm still wondering if the way he explained it to her was correct. Your only options are plead guilty immediately or go to court? You can't discuss it with your atty and plead guilty if he says it's the best course of action? I hope it's true that the cop who started shooting at a van full of kids got fired. Kudos to the mom for standing up for herself and to the kid for trying to protect her from an out of control cop trying to drag her out of the safety of her car.[/QUOTE]

You always amaze me.

The first cop explained it pretty well, many times, she was the problem, the kid was a problem, she drove like a nut, she should spend a lot of time in jail. My thought was she must have been hiding something, plus she had an expired license that the guy said he was over looking. How many breaks can he give her, just sign the ticket and shut up. Sign the ticket, pay the fine later. or not probably in her case.

The dumb 1st cop caused the escalation. Sure the women wasn't smart to do what she did, but I sure as heck have never been asked to plea on the side of the road and pay which is what the lady probably thought. That's illegal in most states. The cop cannot take payment. There's a reason for that.

You acknowledge/sign the citation after the cop tells you your options: admit guilt and send in the payment or appear in court on the date the cop lists on the citation.

It's apparent the cop was not very experienced or sharp.

Some of us speak from experience with our run ins with speed stops. This women and probably most women wouldn't know what to do. They'd panic on some level and with agitated kids and a Gomer cop... Bad combination.


Cop needs more training. Letting a speed stop with a van full of kids escalate like that is poor training retention or poor training. His only good move was not shooting the kid, but I'm sure at that point, particularly since he behaved as if there was no threat and even stated "no gun" when the other officers showed up before one started to bash the window.



Wonder what can on this whole mess?

He didn't ask her to sign the ticket.... He told here to choose to pay or go to court.

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he told her she had two options, pay the fine or see the judge, HE TOLD HER SHE COULD MAIL THE FINE, later, at 1.41 they started talking about signing the ticket, this came up many times, some people amaze me.

He specifically told her she had to choose. That's what cause her to argue with him. He did a poor job explaining her options to her and never once backed up to let her know she didn't have to choose on the spot.

At 1:23-24 "I understand. I understand. You have to pick an option right now Ok."

of course he told her to choose, he also told her to just sign the ticket and then she could mail the fine. look at the video again. you won't have to go past 1.41. I understood what he said, it must have been pretty clear.

I saw where he said "you don't have to sign the citation" and her third option was to see a judge now.

That's after he told her she had to choose now. She said "according to who" to which he replied "according to the the state on New Mexico" after which he said "if you don't want to sign....."

He could have simply corrected himself and she would have signed. But she was under the impression she HAD TO MAKE A CHOICE RIGHT NOW. Her initial argument was that she didn't know what she was going to do (pay or show). She never said she wouldn't sign. That was the cop's suggestion. Everything went wrong before 1:30

Bad cop. Simple.

she does NOT have to choose on the side of the road.

Regardless of what she understood or misunderstood, or whether the policeman could have been clearer, he was being reasonable. What she did, in refusing his - I assume lawful- directions, and then taking off was just plain stupid. Im sure the argument will be panic, but she could easily have caused a situation which got her her teenager shot dead. And it went downhill from there- the potential for disaster by everything that happened subsequently...

she has to sign or go to court/jail right now, sign, pay by mail or go to court,
don't sign, go to court/jail. pretty simple. yes, she has to choose something. she is/was stupid, or had something to hide, or both.

I feel like you and I are stuck in the first 1:40 of the video.

She DOES NOT HAVE TO CHOOSE, but she DOES HAVE TO SIGN.

Choosing is not signing. Signing is not choosing.

The initial disagreement was whether or not she had to CHOOSE and the cop keep pressing her to CHOOSE.

(Sorry for the caps...can't easily bold on iPhone)

And I and not condoning her behavior.

I suspect a good lawyer will focus on the first 1:30 of the video, and the cop will admit he was wrong to try and make her choose.

I've been in heated debate with my teenagers during which they fail to realize what they said, but rather strongly believe they said something else. Any attempts to correct or remind them of their actual statement is just like beating my head against the wall.


This is poor communication at its best.

I think some of you were watching a different video. Cop #1 showed remarkable restraint and patience against a woman who thought the law didn't apply to her. He didn't shoot the teen that probably should have been shot when he went for the cop's gun. Tell me again how this is an easy job?

Didn't we already have a thread on this traffic stop?

You all who are saying the cop didn't explain her options.....he said she had to pick one right then - isn't that the law in that state?

That woman was an idiot. Good thing she isn't breeding.

Considering her kid assaulted a cop, obviously the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Signing the citation is NOT an admission of guilt, it is simply a promise to comply (release on Own Reconnaissance) (OR) with one of the following options:
Pay the fine, elect to attend a traffic school or request a court date.
If you choose not to sign then you have to post a bond which is the amount of the citation. The bond can be posted on scene or at the jail. The easiest way to go is to be OR released by signing to comply with one of the options.
That being said, the officer who shot at the vehicle was wrong and should have been terminated from his job,it was completely uncalled for and I'm sure against the department's ues of Deadly Force policy. The rest of it was a goat #$%^, and I'm just happy that no one was injured.
When someone didn't sign during my career, we would call a supervisor to the scene to try to give the motorist a second chance to be persuaded to take the OR option. It worked most of the time.
It's easy to Monday morning QB these situations, but in real time decisions are made pretty quick, then they are subject to being picked apart by people with the luxury of taking months to look it over and discuss it with others, and in this case, review the video.
This will become a good training video that will help cops learn what they can and should do as well as what they shouldn't do.

right...
well maybe something like this...
you should be standing here and like this..
that way the video is blocked..
and it doesn't ruin your ...

'I feared for my safety..and had to shoot '..BS...
and we can cover you a$$ easily when we talk to the CIVILIANS..

Rika

IIRC the officer who fired his weapon was disciplined.

if he did..
figure that it was..
admin. leave with pay till the smoke dies down ..
which can be hard on action Harry's and wanna be Stallone's...
after all..
going fishing 2 weeks straight will drive one insane..

Rika