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Tervuren 05-17-2014 09:26 PM

Tatoo's at least can tell a story or something important to their life.

If I were hiring, I'd probably ask why. It can give some insight into the person.

Large gouged out piercings that harm their quality of life = stupid person that reaptidly makes poor decisions. No way no way.

Tilikum Turbo 05-17-2014 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by gacook (Post 8070333)
I'm assuming most of you don't work in a technology industry, as most "techies" that I know/work with are so inked up and pierced, it's unusual to see one WITHOUT ink.

Anecdotal about paradigm shifts...my current boss was my boss in the Army many years ago. He's roughly 20 years older than me, and has always been a mentor; still is. About a month ago, I told him I'm thinking about making a move over to one of our sister agencies that focuses more on engineering (computer, network, software, telephony, etc.). We were talking about the interview process and he made a wisecrack about the ink on my arms, to which I told him I'd of course be in a suit/tie so ink wouldn't be visible. To his credit, he commented that I'd probably be better off leaving my earrings in and wearing my short sleeves to show that I could "fit in" with the rest of the organization. He was joking, of course, but there has been a huge shift in what is "acceptable" in the workforce.

Turn down someone with ink--simply because they have ink--at your own peril. You very well might be turning away the best, most innovative employee you'd ever have, simply because you're "old." The old adage of not judging a book by its cover is very real.

Actually, I'm an engineer(a real one), and in 15 years doing medical device research, and petro-chem, I have never met either an engineer, doctor or scientist with a Tattoo.

A lot of the country in the past several years has "gone to pot" in regards to the so-called medicinal marijuana. Because that also has gone mainstream America doesn't make me old because I choose not to smoke(by winking at the doctor I can't function without it).
It just make me more effective at my profession when I'm not faded 24-7. I smoked enough weed in my life back in my day to know it takes about a month for my mind to start functioning again when I stopped. How anyone can believe they function normally being perpetually stoned(and procrastinating on a shyte-load of stuff that has to be done), that bill will come due down the road...painfully with interest.

fintstone 05-17-2014 09:52 PM

Same here. I am an engineer and have seen lots of technicians with ink...but have not worked with high level folks...engineers, scientists, doctors, etc. with visible ink. Not trying to insult anyone...just pointing out what I have observed. If you get a lot of visible ink...it may be hinder your career. Where I work (white collar professionals), men and women both make negative comments after someone visits or comes in for an interview with even a single visible tatoo. While it may be more accepted than it once was...it isn't everywhere.

pitargue 05-17-2014 10:57 PM

I live and work in Silicon Valley. Yes, there are engineers with ink, but they are a very small minority; so small that I would say is an aberration. Most engineers I know in the SF bay area and have seen in any user conference that I have recently been to look more like your typical nerd than some inked out artsy type.

yazhound 05-19-2014 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 8069990)
Apparently the ASVAB and AFOQT scores are scientifically proved to measure aptitude...last RIF of AF officers (the ones AF considered the bottom of the pool)...any that were interested were recruited to go into the Army. Strangely, the ones I know seem to have gone from just below average in the AF to the brightest and best in the Army and have done very well. You are also wrong on the AF fitness testing. Everyone does it and it is very comparable to the Army test...and, as I said earlier, for some age groups, much harder.

Are you active duty? I am former and its been a while. I admit there were slugs in USAR just as there are in USAF. However, I was also in LRS unit where standards were high.

And former military brat... father with DFC from helicopters in Vietnam. Later became first guy in USAR to have his name on F15. Brother in law ex USAF as was former business partner and still current friend. I have spent most life around both USAR and USAF. Scores don't tell the tale. Knew guys in post grad who I am sure would blow roof off tests but who I would not trust to walk my dog, much less cover my back in combat. Twidling knobs in jstar not same as bullets. Techno sure... but...

fintstone 05-19-2014 06:37 AM

I have 26 years of active duty, 10 in the reserve , 9 years as an Air Force civilian (3 of those in joint position for OSD) and 1 year as a contractor working on a base with the military. I am currently in the reserve, but drill with/as part of an active duty unit.

AF Fitness test is tough unless you are very skinny or can run pretty darned fast...especially if you are old.

yazhound 05-19-2014 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 8072167)
I have 26 years of active duty, 10 in the reserve , 9 years as an Air Force civilian (3 of those in joint position for OSD) and 1 year as a contractor working on a base with the military. I am currently in the reserve, but drill with/as part of an active duty unit.

AF Fitness test is tough unless you are very skinny or can run pretty darned fast...especially if you are old.

PT daily would be the key eh? In LRS PT 2x day was the norm. Is the military after all... PT 1x day makes "merely passing" a breeze...

fintstone 05-19-2014 08:54 AM

All the PT in the world will not make a 59 year old man run fast or give a big man a tiny waist. That said, if you spend all day at the gym, who will do the work? Few find the time to go to the gym at 5am before the start of their 12 hr shift and again at the end. When would they do all that boot shining and uniform ironing you referred to?

It doesn't change the fact that the AF requirements are as tough as those for the Army.

yazhound 05-19-2014 10:35 AM

Funny, we always finished the job. Best LRS unit in USAR at the time. Plenty of time to do all. 430 am pt on Fridays when not in field or doing exercises. Otherwise 515 PT and once again later in afternoon. Usually not often until 1700 to 1900 depending on what needed to be accomplished.

Depends on the 59 yr I guess. Not me for sure. But have friends who still run marathons is 60s.

One finds time to get that done we always did. No joe **** the rag bags should be allowed...

yazhound 05-19-2014 10:45 AM

Flinstone, where were you stationed? Ever at Eglin? That is the area I consider home. One of my father's last duty stations. Was attached to 33rd tfw via 18th Airborne Corp. He later worked with Rockwell on the "smart bombs" used during Desert Storm there at Eglin.

PabloX 05-19-2014 10:51 AM

Dr. Seuss covered this a long time ago.

http://agl-initiatives.org/wp-conten...04/sneetch.jpg

fintstone 05-19-2014 12:15 PM

Yaz
Most old men that run marathons...run slowly, not fast...But in fact, few old dudes can run a marathon...or even a quick mile or two as they usually have bad backs, knees, etc by that point. Most probably cannot do 44 good push-ups in a minute or 46 sit-ups either.

That said, why does one need to for a desk job or any noncombatant position?

16-18 hour days get old quick. Especially if you have to do it 30+ years (Hard on your body and hard on your family). So does getting your waist measured every six months to determine if your career ends or not. A bit unnecessary in my opinion as it has not increased productivity (just the opposite as many are away from work, continually injured and spend a lot of time at the clinic).

I go to Eglin all the time, but have never been actually stationed there. In fact, I will be there this month. In the cold war days, I was a Senior NCO in one of the special ops units that is at Hurlburt now...before it was moved there (long, long ago).

yazhound 05-19-2014 12:35 PM

Bro in law was at Hurlburt. That part of 98 took beating from rain a few weeks ago. A lot of flooding. Worse than many hurricanes.

What takes you to Eglin?

Call me old school, but feel much like the USMC ethic soldier first, then MOS second. We particularly see in "modern" warfare that there is no traditional FLOT etc... and you can be REMF one minute and front line the next. Your life and those of your fellow soldiers / air man etc... could well depend on conditioning and the ability to punish your body without quitting . Better to be prepared and not need it than to need it and not be prepared.

fintstone 05-19-2014 01:04 PM

Really not at liberty to discuss details regarding my travel.

I would probably disagree...except for certain specialties. When you spend 100% of your career at a base thousands of miles from hostilities, spending two or three of your most productive work hours each day exercising is just a waste of valuable time using the technical skills that took years of training to master. For example, having a PhD at a research lab spending half their day exercising and playing with an M4 is just silly. Kicking out that same muscular 6'11, 260 lb PhD for having a 39" (actually 37" pants size because of the way they measure) waist that you spent millions sending to school to get his PhD is equally silly.

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