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porwolf 05-20-2014 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 8074274)
........Sadly, society seems to rewards the swaggering ones more than the ones who actually contribute but not sure that hasn't always been largely the case........

I don't know about that. Swagger always turns me off. Understated experience is a turn-on.

JD159 05-20-2014 12:40 PM

Seems like every week or so another thread pops up about how my generation is so entitled and unwilling to work, and disrespect the organization that is providing the work. This follows a thread about someone working their ass off only to be let down by the empty promises of upper management, promises made by those NOT of my generation. We perceive the problems that face the generations before us, and treat much of what they say with a grain of salt, because all that matters is the bottom line, and the company will almost always look after number 1 (itself).

Nostatic is right, society may be rewarding the swaggering ones more than the ones who actually contribute, and it probably has always been that way. This guy sounds like a complete bum, whether he is 20, 30 or 50, but why do these threads ALWAYS turn into "ahh this new generation nobody wants to work and expects the world". Why can't many of you focus on the specified example, and not ramble on with generalizations...just sayin.

Seahawk 05-20-2014 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 8074274)
Part of this mindset (on the part of the students) is driven by the original dot-com boom, and the current tech bubble. Everyone thinks they'll be the next millionaire. Sadly, society seems to rewards the swaggering ones more than the ones who actually contribute but not sure that hasn't always been largely the case.

Nice response to the young man.

I have a slightly different take: Everybody swaggers today.

By the time I got out of college I had had the opportunity to fail in a wide variety of enterprises, often with spectacular results: from getting dusted in sports, abused by parental regulations (they didn't think I was at all special), getting really tested/ranked in academics, working at sub-menial jobs, there was very little incubation time for swagger.

I think, based on what I have seen lately, that many of the yutes of today may not have that experience.

GH85Carrera 05-20-2014 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JD159 (Post 8074436)
Seems like every week or so another thread pops up about how my generation is so entitled and unwilling to work, and disrespect the organization that is providing the work. This follows a thread about someone working their ass off only to be let down by the empty promises of upper management, promises made by those NOT of my generation. We perceive the problems that face the generations before us, and treat much of what they say with a grain of salt, because all that matters is the bottom line, and the company will almost always look after number 1 (itself).

Nostatic is right, society may be rewarding the swaggering ones more than the ones who actually contribute, and it probably has always been that way. This guy sounds like a complete bum, whether he is 20, 30 or 50, but why do these threads ALWAYS turn into "ahh this new generation nobody wants to work and expects the world". Why can't many of you focus on the specified example, and not ramble on with generalizations...just sayin.

If you are lucky enough to grow into a old grey haired man you will understand more.

We were all once young and full of ourselves. Then we discovered how the old greys we knew when we were young really did know more than us. :eek: It was a shock at first. Then we learned.

Certainly we all know that some of the young ones are really scary bright and great to work with. At a former job I was the guy that solved the problems and kept things running. For me it was easy. Over the years I tried to teach at least a dozen people how to do things I did so I could go on vacation. They would all take a bunch of notes and fail miserably at the job. One kid that was 19 walked in cold and asked for a summer job. He learned how to run my department in no time. He took almost no notes. He was great and I hated to see him leave to go to college.

herr_oberst 05-20-2014 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Seahawk (Post 8074453)
abused by parental regulations (they didn't think I was at all special)

WHAT? How on earth have you managed to do the things you all the things you do without the constant affirmation of your family, peers, and the media?


SmileWavy

tabs 05-20-2014 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Gogar (Post 8073981)
:confused:


Maybe the kid is just an idiot.

I just hope he is not a fking idiot, as they breed you know!

Gogar 05-20-2014 01:20 PM

Don't talk about mother that way.

slakjaw 05-20-2014 03:02 PM

Uh huh ok so what is it that he wants to keep secret. Tell us :)

Hydrocket 05-20-2014 03:09 PM

This is always worth a read!

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ZAMIRZ 05-20-2014 03:26 PM

We've had some interesting things happening at our career services that was pretty well summed up in a WSJ article a few weeks back about how recent MBAs (and likely to a lesser extent college graduates in general) are holding out pretty long for their "dream job". Inevitably you're going to end up with a few chumps like the one you guys interviewed with...they'll get a swift kick in the butt by reality soon enough. I think your response was appropriate.

I am of the mindset that you should always take what you can get when it comes, work your ass off to learn as much as possible and build a reputation / network, but keep your eyes open.


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