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I already answered you, Slak. Work on your reading comprehension skills.
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OK. No that's not net neutrality. You have a really bad misunderstanding of what the net neutrality people want. It has little to do with the actual content. What it is, is saying Dear AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint - you now have to peer with Cogent and allow them to dump as much traffic into your network as they want. and there is nothing you can do about it.
They make no money from peering. it is supposed to be a near 50/50 exchange but with some of the smaller companies it it lopsided. When it is lopsided they start to charge the smaller company which they should. If Net Neutrality passes they wont be able to charge them anymore. |
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Yup, would never happen.
This hilarious graph of Netflix speeds shows the importance of net neutrality |
The graph shows a period of time that cogent got peering agreements pulled one after another and refued to pay. That pretty much all it shows.
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The only thing worse than ignorance is willful ignorance.
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Ya know, Clintoon screwed the industry back in the 90s. He said there wasn't enough competition and local telcos had to allow small outfits like MacLeoud into the CO's - if they didn't have the floor space they were required to expand their buildings, upgrade power plants, whatever it took. Telcos spent billions to accommodate them. And today they are all gone. Maybe if that money had been spent elsewhere you guys would have your cheap fast internet.
And now you want to do it again. History is not on your side but you don't care. I think you guys are happier when you are miserable. |
And I think you still don't understand what's trying to be accoplished here. By the big, poor, vulnerable companies.
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You mentioned earlier about Netflix installing servers at various locations. Fine, they pay for that, cool. Why do they do that? To relieve their own direct pipeline and customer pipelines from the burden, and for being able to deliver content better. That's not what Net Neutrality is about, either. Nokia still exists? Now that's a dumb company if I ever saw one. |
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Seriously, do some research. Or continue making yourself look like a fool; your choice. |
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Oh.. and as far as other countries connectivity and speed go....Norway...
ADSL became available to private consumers around late 2000. Depending on the provider, offered speeds range from 512/128 kbit/s to as high as 8/1 Mbit/s for ADSL, while ADSL2+ is slowly becoming available with speeds reaching up to 24/1.5 Mbit/s. Fiber is also almost in every city in Norway now speeds ranging from 2/2 Mbit/s up to 1000/1000 Mbit/s (the fastest available consumer line, only available in Drammen). Prices vary constantly due to fierce competition between providers, but prices can be found as low as 195 NOK (US$30) per month for the most basic ADSL connections, while ADSL2+ is somewhat higher, starting around 499,-(NextGenTel) NOK (US$82) per month. This is in addition to DSL equipment rental and installation fees. |
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You have supplied nothing of value to this thread.
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Slak, you are a lost cause. Proven time and time again that you are completely incapable of coherent thought, and never have once backed up your opinion with anything resembling fact or evidence.
If you have a single shred of evidence supporting your position here, post it. It's always good to hear from both sides (which, I already have). Yes, you're an outside plant guy; congratulations. But that's about the extent of your "knowledge." |
I'm not an outside plant guy. Please answer my question.
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I did, 2 pages ago. And I won't bother wasting any more of my time trying to explain concepts to you that you simply are incapable of grasping.
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You did not answer. You deflected. There are a lot of people laughing at u right now man.
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Yes, and they're all in your head. Nice PM, by the way ;)
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You are the one unable to have a discussion. Go have a look in the mirror wise ass.
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Cable companies are reportedly funding fake consumer groups to attack net neutrality
..Broadband for America, which describes itself as a coalition involving "independent consumer advocacy groups," and which counts senator John Sununu amongst its members, is actually funded by the NCTA -- big cable's lobbyists. How Cable Companies Are Stopping You From Enjoying Fiber - Business Insider ..the cable companies have been offering incentives to local governments (mainly just better service) in exchange for noncompete clauses.. (Kids, can we say racketeering, price-fixing, and anti-trust?) |
MODs - Please move this thread to PARF.
I do not want to hear the nut libs talking about how the world owes them a living on our regular OT section. Thanks. |
pardon my ignorance
I am not an expert on any of this subject matter of course, but to those who have posted that slow downs would never occur, where is the extra speed for those willing to pay for it supposed to come from? Are we supposed to believe that there is higher speed capability that they are just holding back until they can charge for it?
So to give two levels of service, without raising speeds on the infrastructure, you can only slow down the fellow not paying the premium to accomplish this, or am I missing something? |
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You can already pay for higher speed. And if net neutrality were to pass they would still sell tiers. I am not sure I understand your point here.
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ps: And yes, despite what Kyle has posted before, it's EASY to do and there are lots of ways to accomplish giving certain types of (or a specific web site's) traffic priority (higher or lower). Heck, if I didn't like you AT ALL, I might just send your traffic down the "Information Dirt Road" instead of the "Information Super Highway"...you know, the one Al Gore invented :D |
Transit / peering and how data moves amongst the Tier 1 and 2 providers, CDN's and content owners is so vastly complicated, (due in large part to the fact that the financial agreements are a closely held secret), that it's near impossible for anyone to really know what the **** is going on.
Netflix is a poor example to use for either side. They do things to maximize their ROI that end up biting them in the ass. Akami used to be their CDN. Akami paid transit to the Tier's. Cogent had peering arrangements that they thought they could move Netflix traffic under. So Netflix dropped Akami and went with Cogent but the Tier 1's said uhhhh, NO! We've seen their traffic and we got paid for it yesterday, you are not getting it free tomorrow. Netflix also manages their data poorly. They don't place servers inside last mile providers networks and don't split their traffic like other content providers do meaning it hits networks from one spot vs coming in from multiple pipes. I'm still a proponent of Net Neutrality. I don't trust last mile providers one bit. They will abuse every advantage they can. |
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Didn't realize you shop at MaroonsR'Us though :p |
You just said the problem is netflix using dirty tactics. How can you still be in favor of net neutrality?
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That would rock!!! I can't wait to listen to you guys complain even more. Waaaaa it's sooooo expensive waaaa.
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They could do as other content providers have done and spend some money to improve the quality of their service but they don't. Either they are not very bright or their margins (which I suspect has a lot to do with it) are razor thin or they are just greedy. And BT traffic is way down year over year. The low cost and convenience of streaming content providers has taken a big chunk of it. Let's face it, the average Joe consumer will happily pay $7.00 per month for the convenience of hitting the Netflix icon on their Apple TV over finding the torrent, waiting for the d/l. Playing the file only to find out the resolution sucked and it's in Swahili with Russian subtitles so they have to go grab another torrent, rinse, repeat. |
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Like a road it can suck at rush hour but 3 am on a Wednesday night it'll be clear sailing. So really they are looking at what's the smallest pipe they can get away with for 20 hours and deal with some congestion for 4 hours a day. It's not cost effective to build something that is underutilized more than over. |
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