snakes and my daughter and dog

[T77911S]

I calll my daughter the little snake charmer with a shovel.
she just sent me this pic. Said she was just inches away from it.
thats venom on the shovel.
She is out in the yard quite a bit so she finds a lot of snakes.
she even got two water moccasins at once.



First copper head of the year. I have shot 4 water moccasins already.
she is only 18 but has gone after them as long as I caan remember.

had to go add the dog to the title.

[T77911S]

She just sent this.
It got the dog........again. I think this makes 6 maybe 7
Times this dog has has been bit.
we now call her snake bite.
if u look u can see the black spots from previous bites.
look at her nose. Its all swollen up.

[Baz]

Don't take this personally but what would you (or your daughter) do differently if it was a 3 year old human baby that was being snake bit repeatedly.

What would you do differently to prevent that from happening in the future?

It's time for you to take that action.

[T77911S]

really? you have no idea where i live.
babies dont go in the woods, babies dont go in the shed(not my shed). babies dont go down to the lake babies dont go in the barn.
and yes, we have had babies since we do foster care and not one baby has died from a snake bite.

i have lots of woods around me, i have lakes on 2 sides of me. i have also had 2 alligators on my back yard. one this year.
since YOU are so smart, what is YOUR solution.
better yet, why dont you just delete your posts because idiots like you that site behind a computer and think they have a solution for everything and dont know ANY details just pisses me off. you dont know anything more than what you see here.
i will be nice and delete what i said and ask that you dont ever reply to another one of my posts again.

[Craig T]

OUCH!

I see both sides of this battle. First, I think you missed Baz's intention. Baz is an extreme dog lover, and rescuer of many. His issue is with the dog being allowed to go through the suffering of multiple snake bites. He wasn't so much attacking you for risking children as he was showing protectionism of the dog.

I like you, have a dog who has been bitten by a venomous snake. I, also like you, live in an area where the snakes are present in the same areas my dog loves to hunt, explore, swim, and just be a dog. There is NO way I can completely eradicate the snakes, and also NO way I'm going to confine my dog and prevent him from the outdoor life he loves. Therefor, another snake bite is highly likely.

Now I'll offer a solution...

There are services that train dog's to fear the snakes. I've hired them twice and it seems to be working. They put a shock collar on the dog and carry an ear piercing (to the dog) whistle. You take the dog in the house. The trainer puts the snake in the area. In this case, with a rubber band keeping the snake's mouth shut. Then you let the dog out. When he goes after the snake, the trainer hits the shock collar and blows the whistle. My dog jumped six feet straight up. It took three tries, but now he won't go near a snake. We test him with snake's shed skin. I hold it up to him and he backs off 10 feet.

That might be a solution you consider.

[Seahawk]

T77 - I get it. The vet near us calls us "hack and slash" since the dogs get into trouble doing what it is we have them for, what they were bred for.

Our adopt-o-Jack Russell has only been bitten once.

Ramadil (sp) really helps with the swelling.

[Rusty914s]

It appears that your daughter knows her way around a snake or two.

'grats!

[JavaBrewer]

Originally Posted by Craig T

Now I'll offer a solution...

There are services that train dog's to fear the snakes. I've hired them twice and it seems to be working. They put a shock collar on the dog and carry an ear piercing (to the dog) whistle. You take the dog in the house. The trainer puts the snake in the area. In this case, with a rubber band keeping the snake's mouth shut. Then you let the dog out. When he goes after the snake, the trainer hits the shock collar and blows the whistle. My dog jumped six feet straight up. It took three tries, but now he won't go near a snake. We test him with snake's shed skin. I hold it up to him and he backs off 10 feet.

That might be a solution you consider.

+1. Also along the lines of what Baz was suggesting IMO.

[VincentVega]

T77 - I get it. The vet near us calls us "hack and slash" since the dogs get into trouble doing what it is we have them for, what they were bred for.

Our adopt-o-Jack Russell has only been bitten once.

x2

Nature has a way of taking care of itself.

Well done to your daughter, snakes like that will ruin your day.

[masraum]

I think the issue is that if there are that many snakes where the OP lives there is no way to keep the dog away from the snakes other than making the dog an inside dog. And the dog has to go out sometimes. I suspect the issue isn't that the dog is accidentally getting bitten. I think the issue is that the dog is going after or going to sniff the snake and the snake is telling the dog to back off. If the dog was that worried about it, the dog would leave snakes alone.

I'm an animal lover, like Baz, but I understand, sometimes a dog is going to stick it's snoot where it shouldn't and there's no way to stop the dog from being a dog. Locked up inside is no way for a dog to live.

Our dogs are mostly inside dogs, but they do go out to do their business and go on walks and occasionally, they just like to hang out in the back yard. I'm just lucky we don't have snakes in my neighborhood, at least, not the kind that we have to worry about.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Craig T

There are services that train dog's to fear the snakes. I've hired them twice and it seems to be working. They put a shock collar on the dog and carry an ear piercing (to the dog) whistle. You take the dog in the house. The trainer puts the snake in the area. In this case, with a rubber band keeping the snake's mouth shut. Then you let the dog out. When he goes after the snake, the trainer hits the shock collar and blows the whistle. My dog jumped six feet straight up. It took three tries, but now he won't go near a snake. We test him with snake's shed skin. I hold it up to him and he backs off 10 feet.

That might be a solution you consider.

That's really cool. I'm not sure folks would approve of using that one on a 3 year old baby though.

[quicksix]

Yeah, six feet is pretty high for a three y.o.

[wdfifteen]

^^
lol!

[Baz]

Originally Posted by T77911S

---snip---
since YOU are so smart, what is YOUR solution.---snip---

No problem - here's how I see it.

Your dog depends on you to keep it from harm. Same as a child.

We don't leave our dogs in hot cars. We don't do that because it could hurt or kill them.

We don't let dogs go into an area with snakes. We don't do that because it could hurt or kill them.

We wouldn't leave a child in a hot car - or let them go into an area with snakes....for the same reason. It could hurt or kill them.

Your dog should be afforded the same considerations as a child with regard to safety.

There are many who do not agree with this philosophy - sadly I see it everyday.

Again - don't take it personally. Sorry I ruffled your feathers.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by Craig T

---snip---His issue is with the dog being allowed to go through the suffering of multiple dog bites. He wasn't so much attacking you for risking children as he was showing protectionism of the dog.---snip---

Bingo - thanks Craig.

[rusnak]

Ugh! I hate snakes. Keep the dog away from a KFC, they might ask it to leave. That's my solution.

[cairns]

My earliest memory is of a copperhead coming up to me and my mother snatching me away- I think I was three. Dad killed it with a hoe. If you live in SC near water they're everywhere.... I truly loathe and fear snakes- of any variety.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by Baz

No problem - here's how I see it.

Your dog depends on you to keep it from harm. Same as a child.

Baz, I think you are the f'ing bees knees. But, respectfully, dogs, when they mature, aren't kids.

I have dogs on the farm for jobs, what they can do, what they were bred to do.

My Heeler has pushed back the ground hogs to the hedge rows, the little Jack gets the snakes, patrols the hedge rows every morning with me on my walks. The Heeler coordinates everything.

My Lab watches. He is here to pee and establish boundaries.

They have all gotten into scrapes with Racoons, bigger ground hogs, and the occasional dog. The best Jack I have owned climbed Spruce trees after prey.

You can't breed it out of them.

Try and "retire" them, ask them to stay on the porch. Never happens.

Dogs want a job, not a porch.

Edit: We also have barn cats, raised at the barn to keep mice at bay, fend for themselves. They do a remarkable job and are happy to see me every morning. We make animals pets, unfortunately.

[Craig T]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Baz, I think you are the f'ing bees knees. But, respectfully, dogs, when they mature, aren't kids.

I have dogs on the farm for jobs, what they can do, what they were bred to do.

My Heeler has pushed back the ground hogs to the hedge rows, the little Jack gets the snakes, patrols the hedge rows every morning with me on my walks. The Heeler coordinates everything.

My Lab watches. He is here to pee and establish boundaries.

They have all gotten into scrapes with Racoons, bigger ground hogs, and the occasional dog. The best Jack I have owned climbed Spruce trees after prey.

You can't breed it out of them.

Try and "retire" them, ask them to stay on the porch. Never happens.

Dogs want a job, not a porch.

I could not agree with this more had I written it myself Seahawk.

I watch my dog's perform their separate tasks. It's really amazing how they stay true to their breed behaviors.

The terrier-pit rescue tenaciously solved our rodents in the avocados problem. To watch Turbo tirelessly work the orchard and dig out a borrow is something to behold.

The boerboel has once grand task...Protect the family from all things dangerous. Tank circles the perimeter non-stop while Turbo is chasing varmints, peeing on the perimeter and growling at anything outside the fences. He's killed a coyote, multiple rattlesnakes, and been snake bitten twice. Since Tank killed the coyote, we haven't seen hide nor hair of one, giving freedom to the terrier to roam the orchard. When they wake up, they can't wait to get out there. They see being left in the house as a form of punishment. I'll risk the snake bites over their important jobs and well being.

[rusnak]

my ferocious poodle's job is to guard the vehicle. He really would rather be out biting someone's face off, but he's so well trained he restrains himself.