F1 Spa weekend GP

[Craig T]

I believe Rosberg will ultimately win this battle. He's proven to be nearly as good a driver, and Nico is much cooler headed and shows more maturity. Hamilton's personal image is starting to deteriorate...full sleeve, full back and behind the ear tattoos, rapper earrings, and now the combo Mohawk/mullet. F1 is a marketing platform for Mercedes Benz, and this is not the image MB wants to portray. In my opinion...If these two can't get along as a team, it'll be Hamilton that goes.

[URY914]

This out today....

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/rosberg-pay-hamilton-crash-mercedes-boss-110028277--f1.html

Rosberg later insisted that he was not to blame.

“We had the pace to win, but the incident cost us a top result,” he said. “So I'm really disappointed because for the team it was a bad day.

“As drivers we are here to entertain and show the fans a good time, so our duels are always on the limit. I regret that Lewis and myself touched, but I see it as a racing incident - just as the stewards did…”
Wolff added further clarification, saying: “Nico felt he needed to hold his line. He needed to make a point, and for Lewis, it was clearly not him who needed to be aware of Nico.

“Rosberg didn't give in. He thought it was for Lewis to leave him space, and that Lewis didn't leave him space. So they agreed to disagree in a very heated discussion, but it wasn't deliberately crashing.”

Making clear that the team saw Rosberg as culpable, he added: “It doesn't change the scenario at all because the incident, as I see it, is not acceptable for us.

“What we saw was that Nico was not prepared to take the exit and that caused the collision. That is not something we want to happen. We had a collision that could have been avoided, a second-lap collision. It was Nico who attacked -- and he shouldn't have done it.

[yellowperil]

Great entertainment!! It's a good thing too, because there's SFA else to look forward to. Both have become very "sauerpussenfachen" on podiums and media
questioning. Like 12 yr olds, both of them. Still I hope Ham wins out.

So count our blessings, because the only other things to look forward could be. Gee, I wonder if Maldonado will crash today? Or can Massa have a great race today? You could fill in Grosjean, Hulkenburg, Sutil or others in place of Mass's name.

The ugly cars with no engine noise would be total funless without this spat! IMO. Just saying.

[Craig T]

Originally Posted by yellowperil

The ugly cars with no engine noise would be total funless without this spat! IMO. Just saying.

Ain't that the truth!

[javadog]

Speaking of Maldonado and crashing, I thought his crash this weekend was bizarre. He's had several strange ones, which makes me think he doesn't belong in one of these cars. Then, there's his downer personality... working with him has to be a bummer.

JR

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Iciclehead

Looks like Rosberg admitted to not avoiding the incident, apparently as a means of getting even for last race.

Says much about Rosberg's lack of character in a cesspool of low character individuals.....I guess my gut feel about the guy is looking justified.

Go Hambone!

Dennis

I have a different perspective. first, ham-head's lips were moving, indicating a likely attempt to decieve.
Second, it could be interpretted several ways. One was that Rosberg was merely standing up to him, not allowing the hog-head to bully him around, and the result was that ham-head cut him off taking out his own tire as well as rosberg's wing.
If you watched it closely, Rosberg DID NOT change his line. he held the line and let off the gas. He couldn't change his line, there was no place to go but in the weeds.
Hamhocks cut across the corner towards the apex, effectively hitting rosberg's wing.

Now some might argue that because rosberg was inside hamhock but did not have a wheel on him, it was rosberg's responsibility to back off and get out of the way. to an extent I agree with that.
But all drivers have a responsibility to avoid a collision or pay the consequences.

So the real cause was this:

ham-on-rye and rosberg both had chips on their shoulders.

prosciutto forced the move, cutting him off, as an act of dominance. Rosberg did not cower like a whipped puppy and the result was that canadian bacon ran into rosberg, who prolly shouldn't have been there.
SO IT'S A MUTUAL RACING INCIDENT WITH SHARED BLAME.
IMHO of course.

[yellowperil]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

I have a different perspective. first, ham-head's lips were moving, indicating a likely attempt to decieve.
Second, it could be interpretted several ways. One was that Rosberg was merely standing up to him, not allowing the hog-head to bully him around, and the result was that ham-head cut him off taking out his own tire as well as rosberg's wing.
If you watched it closely, Rosberg DID NOT change his line. he held the line and let off the gas. He couldn't change his line, there was no place to go but in the weeds.
Hamhocks cut across the corner towards the apex, effectively hitting rosberg's wing.

Now some might argue that because rosberg was inside hamhock but did not have a wheel on him, it was rosberg's responsibility to back off and get out of the way. to an extent I agree with that.
But all drivers have a responsibility to avoid a collision or pay the consequences.

So the real cause was this:

ham-on-rye and rosberg both had chips on their shoulders.

prosciutto forced the move, cutting him off, as an act of dominance. Rosberg did not cower like a whipped puppy and the result was that canadian bacon ran into rosberg, who prolly shouldn't have been there.
SO IT'S A MUTUAL RACING INCIDENT WITH SHARED BLAME.
IMHO of course.

Well, I tried to read your post but got so hungry while doing so, I kinda lost track of what your point was. Something about a racing incident, I think. Gotta go to the deli, I'm starvin'.

[herr_oberst]

• ham-fisted
• ham-bone
• hamminator
• the hammer

[kang]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

I have a different perspective. first, ham-head's lips were moving, indicating a likely attempt to decieve.
Second, it could be interpretted several ways. One was that Rosberg was merely standing up to him, not allowing the hog-head to bully him around, and the result was that ham-head cut him off taking out his own tire as well as rosberg's wing.
If you watched it closely, Rosberg DID NOT change his line. he held the line and let off the gas. He couldn't change his line, there was no place to go but in the weeds.
Hamhocks cut across the corner towards the apex, effectively hitting rosberg's wing.

Now some might argue that because rosberg was inside hamhock but did not have a wheel on him, it was rosberg's responsibility to back off and get out of the way. to an extent I agree with that.
But all drivers have a responsibility to avoid a collision or pay the consequences.

So the real cause was this:

ham-on-rye and rosberg both had chips on their shoulders.

prosciutto forced the move, cutting him off, as an act of dominance. Rosberg did not cower like a whipped puppy and the result was that canadian bacon ran into rosberg, who prolly shouldn't have been there.
SO IT'S A MUTUAL RACING INCIDENT WITH SHARED BLAME.
IMHO of course.

A fair and balanced post, no doubt, with no bias against Lewis Halmiton apparent at all...

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by herr_oberst

• ham-fisted
• ham-bone
• hamminator
• the hammer

Ham Synonyms, Ham Antonyms | Thesaurus.com
Synonyms for ham
noun: one who overacts
hot dog
exhibitionist
grandstander
hotshot
showoff


IIRC there was another that he put on his helmet last year, but the FIA wasn't too keen on it so he had to take it off.

[emcon5]

Watch the Sky coverage.



From the in-car, Nico turned into Hamilton. He was turning into the corner, he straightened the wheel momentarily (actually went slightly left), then turned right again causing the collision.

Now, I am by no means a Hamilton fanboy, and I really like Nico, hell, I have a dog named after him. This is all Nico's fault.

One of two things happened:
1: Nico did it on purpose.
2: Nico was trying to tuck in behind Hamilton and blew it.

I really think Nico is too experienced for #2.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by kang

A fair and balanced post, no doubt, with no bias against Lewis Halmiton apparent at all...

DO YOU THINK that might be why I started it off with "I have a different perspective" and finished it with "IMHO"?


I made my points and expressed my opinions.
While I have a low opinion of Mr. hamilton's character, I believe the points I made to be logical and accurate.
May I suggest some of the same?

Oh and while yer at at, go READ the article we were referencing.
The one that described two guys playing chicken, both thinking the other will flinch and neither did. Then the one who started the game of chicken went running home crying to mummy.

Rosberg admitted to not backing down to hamilton, he DID NOT admit to causing the collision intentionally as the ham-rectum said.
It was a dumb move, just as dumb as chopping across rosberg's front like hammucus did.
They both made dumb moves and both paid the price, one more than the other.
Or .... you could say that they both gambled and one of them came out a winner (mostly) and one came out a looser.

Wolff explained that Rosberg, who was booed on the podium, had wanted to make a point by not giving way when the pair collided on lap two.

But that, he said, did not mean he had intended to crash with Hamilton puncturing the Briton’s left rear tyre and wrecking his race.

Hamilton retired pointless with four laps remaining after battling at the back of the field and later said Rosberg had told him he had hit him deliberately.

“It looked quite clear to me, but we just had a meeting about it and he basically said he did it on purpose,” said Hamilton. “He said he did it on purpose… He said he could have avoided it.

“He said 'I did it to prove a point'. He, basically, said 'I did it to prove a point' and you don't have to just rely on me -- go and ask Toto [Wolff], Paddy [Lowe] and all those guys who are not happy with him as well.”

Rosberg, with a broken front wing, survived and finished second to open up a 29-points lead over Hamilton in the title race with seven races remaining.



Rosberg later insisted that he was not to blame.

“We had the pace to win, but the incident cost us a top result,” he said. “So I'm really disappointed because for the team it was a bad day.

“As drivers we are here to entertain and show the fans a good time, so our duels are always on the limit. I regret that Lewis and myself touched, but I see it as a racing incident - just as the stewards did…”

Wolff added further clarification, saying: “Nico felt he needed to hold his line. He needed to make a point, and for Lewis, it was clearly not him who needed to be aware of Nico.

“Rosberg didn't give in. He thought it was for Lewis to leave him space, and that Lewis didn't leave him space. So they agreed to disagree in a very heated discussion, but it wasn't deliberately crashing.”

Making clear that the team saw Rosberg as culpable, he added: “It doesn't change the scenario at all because the incident, as I see it, is not acceptable for us.

“What we saw was that Nico was not prepared to take the exit and that caused the collision. That is not something we want to happen. We had a collision that could have been avoided, a second-lap collision. It was Nico who attacked -- and he shouldn't have done it.”

[Iciclehead]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

I have a different perspective. first, ham-head's lips were moving, indicating a likely attempt to decieve.
Second, it could be interpretted several ways. One was that Rosberg was merely standing up to him, not allowing the hog-head to bully him around, and the result was that ham-head cut him off taking out his own tire as well as rosberg's wing.
If you watched it closely, Rosberg DID NOT change his line. he held the line and let off the gas. He couldn't change his line, there was no place to go but in the weeds.
Hamhocks cut across the corner towards the apex, effectively hitting rosberg's wing.

Now some might argue that because rosberg was inside hamhock but did not have a wheel on him, it was rosberg's responsibility to back off and get out of the way. to an extent I agree with that.
But all drivers have a responsibility to avoid a collision or pay the consequences.

So the real cause was this:

ham-on-rye and rosberg both had chips on their shoulders.

prosciutto forced the move, cutting him off, as an act of dominance. Rosberg did not cower like a whipped puppy and the result was that canadian bacon ran into rosberg, who prolly shouldn't have been there.
SO IT'S A MUTUAL RACING INCIDENT WITH SHARED BLAME.
IMHO of course.

Been reading what I could about this, obviously we are well into hearsay here, but from what I can gather, Rosberg basically went in with the mindset that he was not going to give a millimetre to Ham-bone's stuff as Ham-bone wasn't willing to bow out of his way last race.

Rosberg undoubtedly saw Ham-bone doing the chop to own the corner, could have backed off but would rather take both of them out (he is ahead in the championship) and/or he realized that odds were that he'd get the better end of the pungi stick out of it, so he just proceeded. At least he was not as obvious as Schumacher on Villeneuve a few years back. It almost looks like he was actually just racing.

I am not a fan of either of these guys, both seem to have all the maturity of an enraged toddler, but Rosberg ought not to be emulating Schumacher, Prost or Senna by being prepared to crash rather than actually race.

We will, of course, likely agree to disagree and enjoy the banter and debate. The next race will be a wonder for sure, and now the FIA is making noises about some sort of punishment for Rosberg (Greaaaaat, just what we need) and perhaps Lauda doing something within Mercedes (and he is no softie).

Dennis

[URY914]

This is quickly turning into the Tony Stewart thread....

[yellowperil]

I would think it was about a 50/50 incident between two hard headed racers, even though I favour Ham on this team. But I do think Nico made the bigger mistake by not waiting for one of the long straights to make what surely would have been an easier pass since he seemed to have a faster car. He caught Ham very quickly after having been overtaken at the start.

He was lucky not to have wrecked his day, just as Ham was again un-lucky to have his ruined. Just my opinion.

[aston@ultrasw.c]

I have a couple of questions about Alonso's penalty.

I thought a 5 sec stop and go meant a trip down pit lane and stopping in a control box without visiting your pit. At least it used to.

If you can now combine a stop and go penalty with a stop for tires it was very fortunate that the officials required 1/4 of the race laps to figure out if a penalty was required. Just long enough to hit Alonso's pit window perfectly.

[bell]

That penalty is up to the fia stewards, they can more or less penalize in many different ways. .... They have done this in the past but I forget when. ..

[Flieger]

This year they introduced the additional time added to a pit stop penalty. I like it, since it lets them give minor penalties for minor offenses. It would have been an injustice to ruin Alonso's race for something that happened before the start and something that he did not even do.

I don't agree with the Magnussen penalty though. I still don't know what move they gave it based on. Was it the quick lunge towards Alonso where Alonso shook his hand at him?