Its been said a 1000000000000 times "to mix the two (a peddle machine and a motor vehicle ) what could go wrong?
Esp when one takes on the Crusade to prove they have rights / rites all about them at all cost !
They Exploit pedestrian laws when desired and motor vehicle all at the same time ? !
Back the early 60s SHELL used to run a promo about driving. In the end they would show a scenario and say "you can be right or dead right"
This cyclist proved it ?
Too bad they do not issue brains with peddle bikes.........

I ride a bike daily. I do it for exercise and wait till mid morning when traffic dies down and school zones have lifted. I ride on residential boulevards with two lanes in each direction. I stop at all stop signs and obey the traffic lights and obey all other traffic laws. Most drivers are courteous and respectful, staying in the left lane and allowing me the right lane as Texas State laws dictate. Yet there are folks who go out of their way to harass me and try to run me into the curb, cut in front of me at stop signs and lights or when the pavement is wet just to spray me. The only people I yell at and berate are the other bikers who blow through red lights and stop signs in front of cars. They hated me.

2nd Ave isn't actually steep, it is just long, gradual, and the lights are timed well. That's what lets you build up so much speed on a bike.

We have a whole lot of stupid cyclists as well as terrible drivers here, and unfortunately we let their accidents influence our traffic plans. I think in this case, both the truck driver and the cyclist failed to pay proper attention to what was around them.

I can't wait to see how much more traffic backs up on 2nd avenue after this. :(

You probably met cashflyer, Higgins, afterburn and some of the other folks on this thread!

i just love being pooled into some dogma land ..
I NEVER, EVER said i was out to get anyone. NEVER>!
This type of accusatory comment should be left for less then intelligent conversation.By unintelligent people .
I clearly stated, the mixing of the two will not ever turn out well. Add to that most people drive with 1/2 their attn. span on the road.
Add to that some cyclist thing they are on a french road race and ignore all safety precautions .
Thats the mind set of some cyclist.
And it shows.

The bike lanes in this town have really f'd up traffic. They are confusing and dangerous.

But a bigger problem lies in the fact that most don't consider it a real lane. If there is a lane of travel on your right, signal, head check, enter that lane (even if only partially), then make your right turn. To turn across it, without regard for what might be coming, puts the turning driver at fault.

If you don't agree, then you simply don't consider the bike lane to be a legitimate lane of travel.

What would keep this particular event from happening, is to design a "blend" area wherever a vehicle would turn across. The vehicle would move left into the bike lane blocking it from being overtaken, slow, and make its turn. The bikers, would have to slow for the left turning vehicle, just as if a cyclists were slowing to make a left turn from the bike line.

We already have lanes like this in places. Unfortunately, there are at least three types of bike lanes or markings around the city, which probably only serves to confuse drivers (and cyclists for that matter) even more.

"far too low"? Though I surely did not pay 9600x the amount the average car pays, you have no idea how much I did pay.
I can smell the smug from here. Smells just like bull****.

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Believe what you like. However there are responsible bike riders out there. Although at times they seem hard to find. Like I indicated, I see idiot ones all the time who resent being called out on their stupidity. They give us all a bad name.

We have this problem in PDX too. There doesn't seem to be a uniform system of marking and signage for bike lanes. Sometimes they are painted green, or brown, or not painted at all. The "bike" pavement symbol is used so sparingly, you'd think it was rare and precious. There is a real aversion to plastic wands or bollards. The signage is confusing. "Share the road" - what TF does that mean? Cashflyer probably interprets it differently from me. There needs to be clear, uniform symbology and lots of it. There are going to be more and more bike lanes in our cities - that will upset some people, but that's the direction of things - and they should be as easy to figure out as possible.

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Thanks for that, coming form a cyclist no less... I saw a cyclist stop at a stop sign the other day... Stop, for real, and put a foot down. I was gobsmacked. Honestly this is the first time I see a cyclist respect a traffic law in 20 years or so. Usually the bike is this mythical unicorn that turns from a vehicle to a pedestrian in a heartbeat and respect the traffic law of neither camp. I never understood that need to stay in motion because presumably, unless this is your only mode of transportation, the point is to exercise (and show off your spandex?). Stopping and starting should provide even more exercise...

(But thats not necessarily related to the topic of this thread or meant as a judgement call on who was at fault).

PS: just today I followed a cyclist texting and weaving all over the road, in and out of his lane... hilarious... And he got pissed at the car who passed him leaving ample room for his weaving... it takes a special kind of cluelessness....

I use that line of reasoning all the time when a biker blows by me while I wait at a light or stop at sign for my turn. I haul after them after I have the right of way, pull up beside them and ask. They usually have some lame excuse like not wanting to un-clip their cleat from the peddle to put their foot down. Like they are going to wear out their cleat or their shoes. Some think you are a chump if you obey the law. Have to be a rebel to be cool. I would rather be a chump than road kill.

Seems like every article or thread about cycling brings the same tired responses (rolling stop signs, etc) and of course a few jabs about spandex. Here's an interesting read examining why cycling seems to incite such fear and anger from ordinarily reasonable people:

https://medium.com/cycling-in-the-city/why-bikes-make-smart-people-say-dumb-things-9316abbd5735

Excellent article. The point about cyclists not breaking more laws but just different ones than drivers is spot-on. I have no doubt that some of those that decry bicyclists failing to stop at stop signs/lights travel at speeds above the speed limit...but "just a little...when it is safe" :D

Not just drivers hate us, but runners too. Todd, you should know, when you yelled runner right for the men behind you and get a glimpse of dagger eye at the bowl.

My question is when did cyclists become so bad? When i come up to a stop light, I usually pull up to the curb and allow cars to make right turn on red or pull up so I am not blocking them. Yesterday about 5:30pm, I come up to these four fat middle age guys, with matching jerseys of course, blocking the driver at a light. I told them a car wants to make a right turn and they are blocking the right turn lane. so I go around them and unclip to get out of the way. They said, we have the right and they can wait. These are big city lights that have about all kind of arrows on them and the wait can be minutes. Bastards. Light changes, of course, they are all over the center of the road trying to clip in, doing all of 10 miles an hour sitting on that saddle talking. f'king sad.

^^ Suckers for the moral equivalency dance. :-/

Really, you guys think that a Porsche doing 35 in a 30-zone is the same as a bicyclist doing 35 in a 30 zone?

Or... Rolling thru a stop, slowing your 911 (or BMWee) to 3 mph is the same as the typical cyclist punching thru the same stop, happily carrying as much speed as humanly possible? C'mon...

Bicyclists have CRAP gear. I mean, sure, it's some of the most expensive carbon crap available, but still, by automotive safety performance standards it is CRAP.

Cars are mandated to have Horns, ABS BRAKES, Lights! . .and most have enough umph to manage more than 18mph on a flat surface.

Bikes - Top heavy on tiny hard tires, Road bikes can not stop worth beans. But hey, stopping/slowing is totally counter-culture. Why would any cyclist want to do that? Fixi!

So, yeah, let's pretend that they are JUST like cars. Let's pretend that a car slow-rolling thru a stop is just the same as the typical cyclist punching thru happily carrying as much speed as humanly possible.

And then we will mix them into city traffic with newly imagined bike stripes and green paint, here and there . . .that few understand, if they even notice. --what could possibly go wrong?

sheesh, those bikes don't even have loud pipes. :cool:

As I've said before, there are douches behind the wheel of every set of wheels (and pair of sneakers). Just that "common sense" invariably comes down to what is convenient for *me*.

What's so hard about moving their bike over a little, or forward 3 feet so other can go on with their lives? common sense, it is really a thing of the past?