You guys crack me up with the crazy scenario's you come up with. "what if the guys on crack? what if the guys crazy? what if there are 10 guys? what if the guys wearing protective clothing? what if the guys wearing body armor?" Seriously? Your all paranoid! Where do you people live? If your concerned enough for your personal safety to the point that you feel the need to carry a loaded weapon you need to move to a better location, and if that doesn't help go get counseling for your paranoia. I mean seriously,,,you guys would actually bring a loaded ready to fire weapon to your next cars and coffee? :rolleyes:


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No, I prefer to keep it broken down in a locked case, separate from ammo, where it will do me so much good if I need it. In fact, I keep empty fire extinguishers around the house too. Since house fires are so rare, I figure I can just go get them refilled if I ever really need them.

Anyone I ever need to use force against won't be able to tell the cops his side of the story.

Well, you know how pesky those darned BMW drivers can get.

If you think your address will protect you from crime, you are totally ignorant of reality. Most responsible gun owners do so because crime does happen, and we want the ability to protect our families if required. The USA is overall a very safe place to live and the odds are against being physically attacked, but if you are one of the unlucky few, don't you want the ability to defend yourself and your family? The odds of my house burning down are slight, but I still keep a fire extinguisher on all three floors and the garage.

If large enough quantities are inhaled, a person can die from the neuro toxins in the spray. If you want to use a non-leathal approach to such situations, pepper spray is likely your best option.

If you want a more leathal approach, a .45 or two will suffice.

My $0.42,
-Z

We have very different realities I guess. I have a gun in my home for personal protection and I have a fire extinguisher too. I dont however walk around with a loaded gun nor would I walk around with a fire extinguisher. Unless your off duty LEO, your just a random Joe...probably some old dude that just works on his car on the weekends. frankly not that important. No ones out to get you.

Fire extinguishers are very, very inconvenient to carry around and, when I'm out and about, they won't help me. I only have them to protect my house and car. Pretty sure every bldg. I've ever been in, other than some private homes, has them. So that's good. A sidearm, however, is very easy to carry around and, more importantly, when you need one, nothing else will work. I can't carry a cop and no bad guy is gonna wait until the cops arrive to deal with him. My carrying threatens no one. Still wouldn't carry a Taser. Way too little practicality and way too much liability. And they are kind of bulky. For the same money and more concealability I can carry a gun with 14x as many chances to stop the bad guy and make sure he can't sue me for doing so.

One looks for ways to survive .
If you are on the way to federal building / property, no fire arms tolerated or permitted period, not even left in car ETC.
Mace shoots 4' wasp stuff 15' feet EZ
Plus anyone attacking is probably not going to run to the local Nazis that enforce "gun control".
Also, It will be very difficult for perpetrator to say "yes thats him, the guy i was trying to mug" LOL

I have fire extinguishers in every vehicle.

As well as in the garage and my kitchen.

I hope I never have to use them but will be there if I do.

I see no difference in having a weapon for self-protection. There if I need it.

BTW - there's nothing wrong with having a discussion about this - you are free to do as you like and I promise....it will be OK by me. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/suppo...leys/loki8.gif

A Pepper Blaster will double that of your wasp spray.

Remember, when seconds count the police are only minutes away.

And they write really pretty reports on nice letterhead about how you or your loved ones got killed, often with color photos!

Ask me how I know. I had a close personal friend who was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time (working a second job at night to make money for school in a sleepy little suburban town outside of Boston back in the 1990s). He happened upon two dirtbags from out of town who wanted to do a quick robbery. One of the bad guys panicked, chased after him and then shot him. If he'd had a CCW he'd likely be alive today. Of course in anti-gun MA you can't realistically get them. The police showed up minutes later and wrote a nice report. They got a lucky break later and were able to get the bad guys who were convicted but there's no death penalty in MA so one is already out and the other will be in the next couple of years I believe. Scott meanwhile is still dead.

If you chose to go through life with a loaded ready to fire weapon on your person every second you are outside thats fine by me, you too are free to do as you like. I personally choose not to live that way. The reality is that the gun may help you and it may not. There's no guarantee that it will. I assume you watched the video I posted, but Im sure that carrying a gun give you some extra confidence, its not the type I want.

Kinda hard to stick a can of wasp spray into your pocket when going out. However, this fits in a pocket / purse / manbag / satchel / backpack easily, and will still fire a 12 foot spray:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1412620447.jpg

This stuff even complies with NJ State laws, given its size and type of pepper spray in the bottle. Uses the same stuff national park patrol uses in bear spray.

Lipstick Bodyguard | It looks just like a lipstick.

Save the wasp spray for the bees...

-Z-man.

I'm sure the couple that was robbed and the husband killed last Christmas Eve at an upscale NJ mall felt the exact same. My CCH harms nobody, you would not even notice. But it could save my life, or the life of someone I care about.

Btw, I may be a nobody in your eyes, but staying alive has some importance to me.

How do you know what they felt? How do know a gun would have made a difference in the outcome? Like I said, your probably just a regular guy that works on his car on the weekends like most of us. You may go to the range every now and then but I highly doubt you are a trained field officer or practice field combat techniques. There is a difference between using a gun on a stationary target and in a live intense situation. Its much like the kid who gets a black belt in Taekwondo in a year then goes to a bar and gets his *** kicked in a street fight. Real combat situations are always different and you do not know how well or proficient you will respond unless you train on a regular basis. You are assuming that your the only smart one and all criminals are too dumb to think that someone else may be packing.

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The simple fact that you keep citing that "news" "report" is enough to prove how ignorant you are about real-world self-defense.

Your story about the husband killed in the mall is proof. The criminal was ready and prepared with a loaded gun vs. you un-ready and unprepared with a loaded gun that you need to retrieve. I read the story and the poor guy didnt even have a chance. They rushed him and shot him in the head and the same thing would have happened to you.

Oh okay, the whole study is flawed and should be discredited because some guy on Pelican say so. lol

And the fact that you cite a single incident as "proof" indicates that you are ignorant of statistics as well.

A concealed weapon isn't an impenetrable shield against danger. It increases the carrier's probability of surviving a violent encounter.

After all, we can't all be BJ specialists.