NAZI's STILL receiving SS Benefits???

[seanratpel]

Was anyone more annoyed than me after reading about this? Apparently, through the years our lovely government has asked admitted Nazis to "please" leave our country. AND if you go nice and quietly, we'll continue your social security benefits indefinitely.
This to me is just a WTF moment. I'm sure this just delights many of our WWII vets. These payments are in the millions!!! One asshat (Ex SS Concentration Camp guard is STILL receiving benefits) paying no taxes back into the pot, but living the good life in some *****hole country.

Our government......why does this not surprise me. unbelievable.

[masraum]

This thread might have more impact if you posted a link to a news story or something.

[sammyg2]

If you want to get emotional about the morning's headlines, seems like this one would be more appropriate:

It could be worse.
Imagine someone who is living in the US in section 8 housing (free of charge), recieving food stamps (free of charge), recieving welfare (free of charge), is an illegal alien and is ignoring a court order to be deported and is paying zero taxes, while her nephew is a multi-millionaire and the leader of the free world.

[seanratpel]

Nazi war criminal suspects got Social Security benefits: AP investigation - CBS News

Here you go

[Rick Lee]

I have to go with Sammy on this one. Those Nazis at least paid into the system for decades. I don't know why anyone draws gov't. benefits when they don't live in the country anymore, but it's on us to vet who gets into the US and if they lied on their paperwork before becoming a citizen.

[Taz's Master]

I didn't realize the SS was paying benefits, but if they are, I would assume they would go to Nazis.

[Gogar]

Hmmmm,

Where does it say they "didn't pay in?"


Seems like sort of a tricky situation. If you "give up" your citizenship do you lose your SS benefits?

What about (like these people) you have your citizenship "revoked?" Should you lose your benefits?


If so, I think I've found a solution to our country's SS problem. Kick out the old farts.

[David]

Originally Posted by taz's master

i didn't realize the ss was paying benefits, but if they are, i would assume they would go to nazis.

:d

[Rick Lee]

There are still plenty of WWII vets in Germany who receive pensions from the German gov't. for their wartime service. IIRC, Adm. Doenitz, even after serving 10 yrs. in Spandau Prison, got a pension, but it was reduced to that of a captain, since promotions above that had to be approved by Hitler. But I don't know why that's less deserving of a pension, as Hitler was the head of state at the time. Actually, Doenitz was Hitler's successor, so he was head of state for a few days. And Erich Honnecker, while head of E. Germany, even got an "honor" pension from the W. German gov't., as he was a political prisoner for the entire 12 yrs. of the Nazi regime.

[seanratpel]

Rick Lee - I don't agree with you on the "they've been paying into the system for decades angle" So what. Just because they paid 30% of their pay they're excused for the atrocities, direct connection to tortures and the deaths of thousands. For one, I'd be glad to pay his back taxes as long as they gave me him, an empty room and a baseball bat.

All these pukes want to quietly drift away, be left alone and live out their merry little life. Sorry...it doesn't work that way...justice is, or should be eternal.


Remember all the "nice" guys like Eichmann, Hauptman, Dr. Mengele.....yup, they're all just innocent farmers living a peaceful life blah blah. They've got debts that need to be paid.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by seanratpel

Rick Lee - I don't agree with you on the "they've been paying into the system for decades angle" So what. Just because they paid 30% of their pay they're excused for the atrocities, direct connection to tortures and the deaths of thousands. For one, I'd be glad to pay his back taxes as long as they gave me him, an empty room and a baseball bat.

They're not excused at all and I don't think they should get a dime ONCE they've been stripped of their citizenship for lying on their immigration papers and deported. However, until that happens, they're US citizens and due their Soc. Sec. benefits, having paid into the system, likely for decades. Illegal aliens and welfare bums are another class entirely and undeserving of all but the most basic AND temporary assistance.

FWIW, I don't think someone who worked at a concentration camp is, by definition, guilty of anything. They'd need to be investigated and tried if found to be suspected of real crimes. There were plenty of cooks, garbage men and janitors who were conscripted into the SS from conquered lands. They weren't necessarily the guys setting the agenda for the Wannsee Conference.

[HHI944]

Originally Posted by Gogar

If so, I think I've found a solution to our country's SS problem. Kick out the old farts.

GOGAR for PRES 2016!!!




Yeah, so there are some Nazis still alive today.....they're mostly the guys who were 18 and just doing what they were told so they didn't get a 9mm to the cranium...

[seanratpel]

OK, sorry you feel so forgiving. If you read the story, they weren't stripped of anything, the US government was getting close to deporting them but they left before that happened and even though they left the country they are still receiving bennies!
Also, if you read your history, the conscripts from other countries were en-labored to the death camps as menial laborers, but the guards were always SS personnel. That was to ensure everything went as planned ie, the murder went smoothly

So by any definition, being german working in a concentration camp was a crime unto itself.

My point is, they left before they were found out, saw it coming, moved, and still receive payments. and you think thats ok??

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by seanratpel

So by any definition, being german working in a concentration camp was a crime unto itself.

My point is, they left before they were found out, saw it coming, moved, and still receive payments. and you think thats ok??

To your first point, uh no. While I would have been far tougher on the Nazis if I had been in charge of it all, the Allies made up laws at Nueremberg with which to charge the Nazis they caught. It was "victors' justice." Lots of them (far, far more than got it) deserved a bullet in the back of the head. But to invent laws another sovereign state would never have bound itself to and then to retroactively charge leaders with breaking laws that never existed in their country, well, that doesn't really pass the smell test to me. I would have taken the Russian route - summary execution for anyone with the SS tattoo on their arm. No need to pretend they were bound by laws made up after the fact. Take them out and that's that.

To your second point, no I'm not fine with it. They should still have their citizenship revoked. They don't need to be here for it. They can hire lawyers to go to their hearings or they can come back themselves. They never should have been allowed in anyway.

[seanratpel]

Fair enough

[gtc]

Some people might feel the same way about soldiers stationed at Guantanamo who guard the detainees.

[Gogar]

Originally Posted by seanratpel

Just because they paid 30% of their pay they're excused for the atrocities, direct connection to tortures and the deaths of thousands.

Well, if you deny benefits based on that logic you will have to deny most USA Veterans who saw time in battle.



Oh and P.S. I don't believe the Social Security system should exist at all, but we're all just bouncing around ideas here.

[black_falcon]

Meh not every solider on the German side was a war criminal (most weren't) and this witch hunt for old men who were mere kids during the war is getting a bit silly. The decision makers and master minds have been dead or brought to justice long ago.

I bet we've been paying SS benefits to former members of the Soviet Red Army who did much worse than some of these "Nazi's"

[Rikao4]

the US also re-employed many former workers of the Reich...
it really depended on what we wanted // needed from them...
make example of..or
come to CA and work for us..
US hands are far from clean...

Rika

[Rikao4]

Originally Posted by gtc

Some people might feel the same way about soldiers stationed at Guantanamo who guard the detainees.

last I read..
we havent feed them to the pigs..
I have hope..
but....you know PETA and all that..

Rika