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RonDent 11-24-2014 11:21 AM
I had a guy on a bike ride between me and the car ahead of me at a stop light the other night. Next lane over, the guy didn't see him in time. Nobody hurt, but he walked away.

Brando 11-24-2014 01:41 PM
Not sure whom is equating bicyclists to rapists and murderers - projecting much?

My "rant" (very mellow) was more about people whom fail to follow rules. Bad drivers, cyclists, and motorcyclists all around. I was only painting those whom fail to follow the rules in a bad light. Obviously the one who hit me is in that camp.

I don't think it's reflective of the type of vehicle being operated - I think it's more those personalities. I see them on all vehicles.

I just returned from "Sterling Collision Center" in Tustin. They're supposedly factory certified by BMW and have an overall good rating on Google and Yelp. The other place I'll get an estimate is Sandpiper Collision in Costa Mesa. Anyone else have recommendations for OC?

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by T77911S (Post 8368595)
funny, people in cars do the same thing, run red lights.
had a lady in a car pull out in front of me while i was on my bike. i plowed into her. woke up in the ambulance....i was in a bike lane BTW, not someplace i would normally ride.
she bought me my 930.
had a guy in a pickup pull out in front of the group i was riding with. no other traffic, no reason not to wait. 3 went in the bed (with tools in the back), one into the door and one over the front hood. me? i managed to miss the tailgate that was down. pretty scary because of not knowing if he was going to stop, then i would have hit the tailgate.

maybe there needs to be a rant about drivers??

sorry to hear that. sounds like you will have an uninsured motorists claim.
been there done that. it did not turn out well for us. we had to fight our insurance company. (allstate, you know, the ones with their hands cupped and held out. well they pulled them back when they saw us coming).

i dont know why you put someone on a bicycle and all of a sudden they deserve less respect than a rapists or murderer.

Brando 11-25-2014 09:27 AM
Quick update - looks like even though my carrier says they'll waive my deductible if I'm not at fault, I still have to pay it because I wasn't hit by another vehicle - I was hit by a bicycle. That's baloney.

So remember kids, even when a cyclist is clearly at fault - you pay. Your C&C deductible, the claim against your "uninsured motorist", and the medical claim the person will make against your insurance.

SiberianDVM 11-25-2014 09:42 AM
Another wonderful insurance saga. :(

ossiblue 11-25-2014 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Brando (Post 8370203)
Quick update - looks like even though my carrier says they'll waive my deductible if I'm not at fault, I still have to pay it because I wasn't hit by another vehicle - I was hit by a bicycle. That's baloney.

So remember kids, even when a cyclist is clearly at fault - you pay. Your C&C deductible, the claim against your "uninsured motorist", and the medical claim the person will make against your insurance.
Take a look at the "Definitions" portion of your policy and see if the definition of "vehicle" is motor vehicle or something towed by a motor vehicle. If it is, then that would explain why a bicycle damaging you car is not covered. That leaves your comprehensive coverage to pay for the damages, just as if a vandal had damaged your car. By the same token, "uninsured motorist" coverage would not apply because you were not injured and because the bicyclist is not a motorist. If you had uninsured motorist property damage, it still would not apply because he was not a motorist. If he makes a medical claim against you, it will have to be in a civil suit and your insurance company should deal with it, if that's any satisfaction.

All in all, your whole situation doesn't seem fair.

intakexhaust 11-25-2014 10:40 AM
Raw deal for Brando. I'd be all over that cyclist, regardless of what the police would say, would file a report and with hope, had witnesses statement(s) and take it to claims against him plus all the extras. I get pissed at seeing lots of moron cyclist on the road.

BTW: I'm an avid cyclist-

Last summer I was legally, properly riding, medium speed approaching a country club drive entrance. Old man in his shiny new Cadillac is waiting and watching me approach. I could clearly see his head turned towards me and we made eye contact. Yes, I was able to do even though I'm on a bike.

At the last moment, the azzhat decided to pull out in front of me! I hit the hooks and no foul, but damn it was close.

Amail 11-25-2014 11:29 AM
Nearly hit a cyclist on the way to work this morning. I was behind a line of cars turning right at a light that had just turned green. There was a cyclist waiting for traffic to clear so he wouldn't get right-hooked. He started to move, then stopped with feet down as I was preparing to turn right in front of him. I was certain he wasn't going to take off in front of me so I began my turn. Unfortunately, I didn't see the cyclist approaching from the other direction and I almost plowed her right over. Saw her just in the nick of time. We both got quite a scare.

ossiblue 11-25-2014 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Amail (Post 8370393)
Nearly hit a cyclist on the way to work this morning. I was behind a line of cars turning right at a light that had just turned green. There was a cyclist waiting for traffic to clear so he wouldn't get right-hooked. He started to move, then stopped with feet down as I was preparing to turn right in front of him. I was certain he wasn't going to take off in front of me so I began my turn. Unfortunately, I didn't see the cyclist approaching from the other direction and I almost plowed her right over. Saw her just in the nick of time. We both got quite a scare.
So the cyclist you almost hit was riding on the wrong side of the street?

Amail 11-25-2014 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ossiblue (Post 8370475)
So the cyclist you almost hit was riding on the wrong side of the street?
Under normal circumstances, yes, but this was a two-way bike lane. It's not much of an excuse, but I'm not used to looking the wrong way for cyclists and was feeling pretty good about assessing the situation correctly. It could have gone so badly.

Joe Bob 11-25-2014 03:33 PM
Bummer......I bought a Honduh beater for commuting.

Brando 12-02-2014 12:58 PM
So, a quick update to this dramedy.

Looks like my policy is pretty darn explicit. My deductible is only waived when liability is on the other party's fault when involved with 1 or more other automobiles, not cyclists. Even though CA law dictates that cyclists have to follow the same rules & regulations as automobiles insurance carriers can craft their policies in a fashion to include/exclude damages from pedestrians and/or cyclists.

So asking my adjuster point blank: "How do we make this right? I shouldn't have to pay for another person's negligence." The answers were...

1. Contact Mr. Cyclist and ask them to reimburse my deductible.
2. Pursue in small claims court.

The first option I worry might incite vindication on Mr. Cyclist's part. I believe my insurance has presented some sort of waiver of liability or intent to not seek damages against my policy, but I don't know. The second option seems better and would really show what type of integrity that person has.

Thoughts from the brain trust?

ossiblue 12-02-2014 03:29 PM
If you pursue small claims, you still have to show evidence that you attempted to receive compensation from the person before you file for court action. This could be in the form of a letter sent to the person (registered mail) in which you ask for payment of the deductible, or phone logs in which you addressed the issue with him. If you simply file and show up in court, the judge may dismiss the case on the grounds that no attempt was made to settle the issue outside of the court system. You never know what a judge will do, so having as many ducks in a row as you can will help your case. The court considers itself the venue of last resort to make someone whole after a loss caused by another so some record of attempts to make yourself whole by asking the person who caused the accident for reimbursement is expected. With that in mind, option 1 is almost a precursor to option 2. You may be surprised and the cyclist may pay your deductible, or offer to split the amount. You can then decide whether or not to move to small claims.

Brando 12-20-2014 09:45 AM
The saga continues...

I got the car in to the shop last week. Expected to get it back next Tuesday. So the cyclist has signed the waiver saying he will not pursue a claim or sue but we know how useless those are in California.

I've seen him riding up that path every Sunday for the past 3 weeks - looks totally fine and his bike is A-OK.

My agent and the BI adjuster have both advised that I not even contact the responsible party. I do not agree with eating my deductible.

Should I call him and ask? I suppose it could be proven as frivolous and retaliatory if he filed a claim immediately after me asking for reimbursement.

What say you?

Pics before and after to come when I get the car back...

ossiblue 12-20-2014 11:32 AM
See my post just ahead of yours.

Do you have any evidence that he was at fault? Time has passed and unless there is a third party witness or a statement on record of him running the light and hitting your vehicle, it becomes your word against his. I agree, you should not have to eat the deductible--that is the least the cyclist should be required to pay. If you have evidence that he was at fault, I would suggest you contact him and ask for the deductible and if he refuses, go ahead and pursue a small claims action. The more tangible evidence, the better when in court. Small claims is designed to restore monetary damages to the injured party. You, clearly, are the injured party and the cyclist is the cause of your loss of the deductible amount. Personally, I think you have a good chance of recovery, in court.

Kraftwerk 12-20-2014 11:54 AM
Seems like, with good insurance coverage, the company would go after him to cover their pay out to you. Insurance is just making a bad story worse, as is often the case. I've been there, where I get to know my policy after the fact. This guy is not only giving cyclists a bad name but citizens in general.

Brando 12-20-2014 12:54 PM
hey ossiblue - I did read your thread. The challenge is there are no 3rd-party statements. All the witnesses who were at the intersection drove off. No-one was willing to stick around and give a statement. Cops/ambulance also did not show. So it's just my word vs. his if it came down to it.

I know small claims is really supposed to be my last-ditch effort. Once I get the car back and a total for everything I'll call the cyclist. "Hey buddy, how's it going? Remember that Porsche you ran into? ..."

Kraftwerk - to me it seems like they don't want to expend the effort due to the risk of a BI claim. I get they want to cover their ass(ets), but it is becoming apparent to me that this company does not want to represent my interests there in the least. However, if it were another motor-vehicle, I am sure this would be a different story.

aap1966 01-28-2015 06:11 PM
Wife was stuck behind about 6 cyclists riding 3 abreast, so she hung well back, waited for an opening and turboed past. She passed entirely on the other side of the dividing line, so no way did she "buzz" them.
Shortly thereafter she had to stop at traffic lights. The cyclists filtered through and took up formation in front of her car. When the lights turned green, they took their time taking off, obviously with the intention that she miss the green.
She decided she didn't want to be around suicidal cyclists, so turned off and took Route B.

But.............Whiskey Tango Foxtrot ??
The crazies were not only taunting a driver (big balls, small brains), but possibly instilling hate in that driver for all other cyclists. Struggling to see an upside here.


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