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aigel 12-07-2014 08:22 PM

The BBB is a scam in itself. They don't care.

I don't run synthetic unless the manual asks for it. 10k mile oil changes with a name brand dino - never had any wear issues on any of my engines, many >200k.

Always change your own oil. It is a PITA, compared to the pricing at a shop, but well worth it - as proven again here!

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afterburn 549 12-08-2014 02:25 AM

BBB LOL
There is a agency willing to cover for money. They will not amputate there own revenue will they?
They asked me many times to join.
LOL
I explained in short 4 letter words where they could go.
They are a "Hustle ".

M.D. Holloway 12-08-2014 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by john70t (Post 8386245)
Slick 50 and other engine oil additives - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com
Dupont, who invented Teflon, claims that "Teflon is not useful as an ingredient in oil additives or oils used for internal combustion engines

I should have clarified my response by improving the definition of 'additives'. In the world of lubricants, additives can be the ingredients in the product or an after market add-in. While some after market add-ins can drop out, normally that stuff in the formal does not.

rcooled 12-08-2014 07:07 AM

A woman friend of mine was told by the local Jiffylube that the rear differential oil in her Honda CRV needed changing. Not a bad idea really...that is if she even had a rear differential. Her CRV is only two-wheel drive. One of many reasons that I DIY as much as I can.

sammyg2 12-08-2014 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Douglas (Post 8385810)
Sorry, I don't want to turn this into oil thread number...

But, I heard that additives in oil can be heavier than the oil itself and sink to the bottom of the plastic container. And you should shake the container of oil before pouring it into the oil tank/engine.

So does this mean when a motor garage buys oil in 44 gallon drums and pump out a few liters for an oil change, only the last few customers get the additives?

It stays suspended better than that, but assuming your assumptions are correct: only the FIRST few customers would get the majority off the additives as the pump sucks off the bottom of the bbl.

GH85Carrera 12-08-2014 08:19 AM

I do feel sorry for almost any female driving a higher end car. The mechanics will flat tell them anything because they assume they don't know anything about cars.

flipper35 12-08-2014 09:37 AM

I DIY all but our new car. I cannot DIY the new car because if I want to keep the lifetime warranty on the power train the dealer has to do it. The first 5 years are free and I have to pay after that. I figure if they are willing to replace the engine because of an oil issue, they are putting decent stuff in. Plus it has a monitor when to change and they change it on a schedule earlier than the monitor says.

sammyg2 12-08-2014 10:32 AM

Remember, these folks (jiffylube owned by Shell oil co.) are the ones that started that "change your oil every 3000 miles" scam.

Lots of people still biting on that hook.

LakeCleElum 12-08-2014 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 8387183)
Remember, these folks (jiffylube owned by Shell oil co.) are the ones that started that "change your oil every 3000 miles" scam.
Lots of people still biting on that hook.

The "3000 mile change" was around many years before quick change oil businesses existed.....I worked in a service station changing oil back in the mid-60's....As most of us here know, that 3K is now out-dated thinking, but many still stick to it, and places like JiffLube profit form it.........

sammyg2 12-08-2014 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by LakeCleElum (Post 8387273)
The "3000 mile change" was around many years before quick change oil businesses existed.....I worked in a service station changing oil back in the mid-60's....As most of us here know, that 3K is now out-dated thinking, but many still stick to it, and places like JiffLube profit form it.........

We're both correct, in different directions:

There was a time when changing oil frequently was a necessity, back when gasoline still HAD high sulfur content and carbs ran rich and ignition systems had points. The oil got diry fast. 3000 mile oil change intervals were fine, some people did it every 2000 miles.

Then in the late 70's with unleaded regular and smog motors and electronic ignition, engines ran cleaner, and oil lasted a little longer.
Then in the 80's with electronic fuel injection and computerized ignition they got even cleaner.

By the 90's, the OEM 3000 mile requirement was long, long gone for most cars. 7500 was not uncommon.

But in the 90's jiffylube decided to bring back the 3000 interval and started an aggressive guilt campaign and were very successful.
I read some documents regarding that back when I worked for Shell.

BYW, jiffylube is now giving up on that campaign due to environmental preessure and is saying it depends on the car and driving habits. IOW it's up to the manager of the jiffylube to make up what he wants.


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History of the 3,000 mile oil change myth

In the 1970s, typical cars took 10W-40 oil which was used for a duration of 2,000 mi (3,200 km) or less. In the 1980s, to improve fuel economy and engine performance 5W-30 oil was introduced which was then used for a duration of 3,000 miles. A modern typical vehicle would use 5W-20 viscosity oil or synthetic oils for durations greater than 7,500 miles (12,100 km).

From the early 1980s most oil change shops have been recommending an oil change every 3,000 miles. During the following decades engine technology and oil technology have advanced requiring less frequent oil changes under normal driving conditions.

This recently identified "myth" has continued to exist due to the complexity existing in today's car industry. The diverse array of cars and oil types available make it hard for an average person to reliably know what to do.

In response to this, car manufacturers include a manual with recommendations for how often the oil should be changed often including recommendations based on driving conditions. Some models now come with a monitoring system that alerts the driver when the oil needs changing. Depending on driving conditions, these can extend change intervals to 10,000 or 15,000 miles. In case of diesel engines and manufacturer recommended long-life oil, the indicated change interval can be as long as 19,000 miles (31,000 km) (BMW) or 30,000 miles (48,000 km) (VW).

TimT 12-08-2014 04:20 PM

This is from my 1969 911 owners manual.

oil changes at 300 - 600 miles (break in) then 6000 mile from then on.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1418088022.jpg

ScottT80 12-08-2014 05:43 PM

I'm leery of quick change oil change places... doesn't surprise me abit.

Send your wife/girlfriend/daughter/mother/etc into one of these joints and see how many blinker fluid flushes they guilt on them. Pushy slaes tactics basic on fear and a lack of general mechanical understanding helps keep them in business. I have used them on beaters as a cheap 10 minute oil change is hard to beat, but if they won't allow me to watch over their work they wouldn't touch my car.

On the subject of 3000 mile oil changes... in the era of a totally clapped out out 70-100k mile American car I see their point. Back in the day if an American car reached 100k it was a total clunker. Not knocking American cars or craftsmanship but thats simply how it was. Now most any car can make it to 100k, even Kias can do that I think. A more modern 200-300k Toyota/Honda/etc doesn't need them that often... better tolerances, cleaner burning motors, oils, etc.

Bill Douglas 12-08-2014 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottT80 (Post 8387731)
Back in the day if an American car reached 100k it was a total clunker.


Sir, American cars were the good ones. We got English cars and if they got to 100k it was a miracle. We had Hilman hunters and Humber 80s. Real POS cars. The valve seats must have been made of butter as the cars were always getting valve grinds to perk them up a bit.

Now, thank God, the country is covered in Toyotas - good for 300k :)

wdfifteen 12-09-2014 10:22 AM

Bill, I always wanted a Humber Super Snipe just for the name. I'd settle for a Snipe, but a SUPER Snipe is my dream.

wdfifteen 12-09-2014 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by LakeCleElum (Post 8387273)
The "3000 mile change" was around many years before quick change oil businesses existed.

It's still alive and well. The local place that changes the oil in the company car and truck still puts a "Change oil at ____ miles" on the windshield, and it's always current mileage +3000.

M.D. Holloway 12-09-2014 06:39 PM

Some very interesting things will happen with engine oil in the next few years...

Bill Douglas 12-09-2014 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 8388708)
Bill, I always wanted a Humber Super Snipe just for the name. I'd settle for a Snipe, but a SUPER Snipe is my dream.

Devil for punishment LOL

GH85Carrera 12-09-2014 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by M.D. Holloway (Post 8389420)
Some very interesting things will happen with engine oil in the next few years...


Are they finally coming out with that secret oil that will get us all 100 MPG? Or is it the stuff that gives double the HP?

KNS 12-10-2014 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by M.D. Holloway (Post 8389420)
Some very interesting things will happen with engine oil in the next few years...

You can't throw that on the porch and walk away - get back over here!

Enlighten us...

M.D. Holloway 12-10-2014 01:53 PM

PC11...thats all I'm say'n!


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