Last sentence is saying 928 is better or worse than 911 ?

[sugarwood]

Is the last sentence in favor or against the 911??

[VaSteve]

It's a backhanded compliment to 911 drivers.

[herr_oberst]

You can do your Kegel exercises your way, I prefer to do mine "Stuttgart" style..

[Noah930]

Where's that t-shirt design that proclaims the 911 separates those who can drive from those who can't?

[sc_rufctr]

I love the way my 911 drives and just like an old German uncle they don't suffer fools.

928 owners wish their cars were as much fun

[HardDrive]

What rubbish. I drove my 82 SC like I stole it. Yeah. The back end will come around....then you do this magical thing called 'drive the F****ing car correctly', and hustle around the corner.

[dewolf]

I've had a 930 and had a few good 928's. Completely different cars for different purposes. A good 928 driven in anger is great fun as well.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by dewolf

... A good 928 driven in anger is great fun as well.

That's true but how hard is it to find a "good" 928?

Seriously... The local ones are falling apart.

[dewolf]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

That's true but how hard is it to find a "good" 928?

Seriously... The local ones are falling apart.

About the same as finding a good 911 that hasn't been cut and shut left to right.

[M.D. Holloway]

Quote de dewolf

... A good 928 driven in anger is great fun as well.

That's true but how hard is it to find a "good" 928?



Seriously... The local ones are falling apart.

I know a guy ... He can hook a brutha up.

[Nine17]

I saw this in Octane and was tempted to write an outraged e-mail to Mark Dixon, who published a similar letter from me about the 911 a few years back. Bowel disorders and sphincter-tightening??? Has this buffoon ever driven a properly-fettled 911SC 3.0 or Carrera 3.2?

My own experience is that the later cars push resolutely until you dial-in proper balance, alignment, new shocks (I prefer Bilstein HD's all around), and proper tires. My personal G-50 LSD Carrera is a delightfully neutral handler when I've got the tire pressures dialed. The rear engine doesn't make the car tail-happy, but it sure provides the traction to launch out of corners with authority. The more compact 911 is much easier to place on the road than a 928.

Not a diss on the 928, but I have to agree with the commenter above, that it's just about impossible to find one in decent shape and that parts and skilled wrenching are much harder to find for the 928 than they are for the contemporary air-cooled 911's.

I drive a Carrera 3.2, and my natural rhythms are as regular as Mr. Bridger's...

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by dewolf

About the same as finding a good 911 that hasn't been cut and shut left to right.

Again true but because of it's relative simplicity a 911 can be "fixed".
Even a hacked one (which mine was) can be disassembled and put back together correctly.

I've spent a lot of money and time putting mine right. My goal was always OEM on everything and there was a lot I had to undo to get it to were it is today.
The only non factory thing on my car is the RenShift but event that is under review right now.

A 928 can also be fixed but requires much deeper pockets IMO.

[ThomO]

The problem with used 928s in today's market is they have been under valued and under priced for years. Which allowed an jack a$$ with a couple extra thousand to buy one. Then not understand how to work on it. It any no Chevy nova but they are not an Sr-71 either. Yes the parts are more expensive. They aren't the same basic car from 69 - 85. Have a good volt meter and know how to use it and a mity vac to sort all the vacuum leak issue. CIS cars have CIS issues, L-jetronics cars the injection is simple. They are not that hard to work just a little different skills.

If you plan on buying a 928 get ready every time you work on it to undo the sins of previous owners.

I think if more 911 owners had a decent 928 to drive for a couple of months the 928 would get it's due share of respect.

I loved mine once it was sorted it was a great car comfortable and faster on daily roads then my SC. Going thru canyons well not so much.

[sugarwood]

Originally Posted by ThomO

Going thru canyons well not so much.

How/why was the 928 worse in the canyons?

Is the 911 better in the turns because it's 500 lbs lighter?
Would lighter weight this also allow stronger braking approaching the turns?

928 must be better in the straights (32 valves, more HP)

Will the 928 be more forgiving to the novice driver, since it has higher torque in the low end?
That way, if you are in the wrong gear (didn't downshift) you have more power available than in the 911 ?

Does front engine 928 has better weight balance in the turns?
How does the 911 rear weight bias come into play? Is that a pro or a con?
How often do people really lose traction while driving on the street?

[intakexhaust]

Most of the problem was internally at Porsche and tradition. The 928 was supposedly the future for Porsche. Not that it was a bad car, Porsche was just wrong.

The 911 was on the chopping block oddly while under the direction of 4 cam man Ernst Fuhrmann. Porsche removed Fuhrmann and in came Peter Schutz. Fortunately he pulled the reigns in and the 911 survived. At LeMans, they were planning to run knowingly uncompetitive 928's but Schutz was so adamant of not going unless they could guarantee a win. With such a long tradition of winning, that story is for another chapter, but does demonstrate the vision and success of Schutz potentially saving Porsche and the 911.

BTW: Disregarding the higher price tag, the 928 was a hard sell. For comparison and in the 1980's, even as a low production model the 928 was heavily discounted whereas the 911 commanded premium over MSRP.

As for side by side comparing, too much to type here and I'm sure you'll find other threads on topic. However, totally different cars attempting to achieve the same purpose and it all comes down to a drivers preference and more importantly, skill level. I've seen both models tossed away by driver error. Total different dynamics and either you get it or you don't.

[john walker's workshop]

nothing like a 4 cam 5 speed at WOT. other than that, it's a german camaro.

[sugarwood]

Originally Posted by intakexhaust

As for side by side comparing, too much to type here and I'm sure you'll find other threads on topic. However, totally different cars attempting to achieve the same purpose and it all comes down to a drivers preference and more importantly, skill level. I've seen both models tossed away by driver error. Total different dynamics and either you get it or you don't.

I've already done a bit of searching, and came up short.
If you ever have the time to elaborate on 928 vs. 911 driving dynamics, I am sub'ed to this thread!

Originally Posted by john walker's workshop

nothing like a 4 cam 5 speed at WOT. other than that, it's a german camaro.

Ok, what's sorts of characteristics are the Camaro/928 known for, in contrast to the 911 ?

[intakexhaust]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

I've already done a bit of searching, and came up short.
If you ever have the time to elaborate on 928 vs. 911 driving dynamics, I am sub'ed to this thread!

To start with, do a search on the Weissach axle and another on TTO (or trailing throttle oversteer, also sometimes referred as lift throttle oversteer).

[intakexhaust]

Both are unique and 'athletic' but would summarize that period 911 vs 928 as-
911 is like a nervous but confident middleweight boxer Fitting pun?!
The 928 would be like Ali as a heavyweight champ. But then again, the 928 was lighter than a Toyota Supra!

[sugarwood]

Porsche 928 S4 | eBay

I am unfamiliar with the 928 market, but this price seems low even for 928 standards.
Was this just a fluke good deal, or is there an issue here?

Is it the automatic?