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WIL84911 03-20-2015 06:48 AM

Teach this dummy some IRS techniques
 
2013 we paid over 11K. Made an adjustment this year we're paying 5K. What the hell do I need to make this pain go away? Wife works 2 full time jobs and I have a part time gig to get my Porsche parts. Rescue me!!!!

Rick Lee 03-20-2015 06:55 AM

On your W4 have an additional $208 per paycheck withheld and you'll be square.

asphaltgambler 03-20-2015 07:02 AM

OR start looking for more tax deductions to limit your liability. For that much money owed you should consult a good tax accountant / CPA and have them pour over your current situation. I found a really good guy @20 years ago and paid him a chunk. BUT he 'made' me money after that. Knowledgeable, solid advice is priceless........................

bivenator 03-20-2015 07:09 AM

You don't me my advice, I need yours. How do you get your spouse to do two full time and you have only a part time. Color me jelous.

WIL84911 03-20-2015 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bivenator (Post 8539005)
You don't me my advice, I need yours. How do you get your spouse to do two full time and you have only a part time. Color me jelous.

Lol. Sorry if I didn't mention it. In addition to my part time gig I do have a full time job of which pay equals the total of her 2 full time job. Believe me it might sound great but it's not (let's not go there as I'm on the edge of divorce).

asphaltgambler 03-20-2015 07:20 AM

Two financial rules I live by: It's not what you earn - it's what you keep. Work smart / not hard.

WIL84911 03-20-2015 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by asphaltgambler (Post 8539028)
Two financial rules I live by: It's not what you earn - it's what you keep. Work smart / not hard.

So yes I got the hard part. I need some smart slap in the head knowledge on how I can get to keep. Should I claim zero plus add the $208 on the withholding as mentioned? Sorry I'm just as I said a dummy when it comes to taxes.

MBAtarga 03-20-2015 07:39 AM

Decrease the number of exceptions on your W4 with your employers. It's likely you have 2 or more listed - as well as your wife. That's like claiming 6 dependents on your 1099. For one of your wife's full time jobs - she should probably claim 0 exemptions. There are numerous on-line calculators available - at least one on the IRS site - that will assist in determining how many exemptions you should claim based on your income, deductions, past tax liability,etc. I know because we are going through this same exact issue now.

gatotom 03-20-2015 07:57 AM

two types of people out there, those that work for someone else and those that work for themselves.

The people that work for themselves usually have a very good cpa on there side.

Enough said.

LeeH 03-20-2015 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MBAtarga (Post 8539056)
Decrease the number of exceptions on your W4 with your employers. It's likely you have 2 or more listed - as well as your wife. That's like claiming 6 dependents on your 1099. For one of your wife's full time jobs - she should probably claim 0 exemptions. There are numerous on-line calculators available - at least one on the IRS site - that will assist in determining how many exemptions you should claim based on your income, deductions, past tax liability,etc. I know because we are going through this same exact issue now.

+Withhold at single rate instead of married rate.

My wife gets a W2. I have two businesses. Instead of paying quarterly on my stuff, we just have zero dependents listed and withhold at the single rate from her check. Basically, my taxes are withheld from her check. Works out fine.

We tend to get a few thousand back every year. Yeah, we give the government an interest free loan. BUT, and current interest rates, we're losing little. It's like our vacation fund.

asphaltgambler 03-20-2015 08:00 AM

Everyone's situation will be different. As I stated in my first reply, find a good CPA and invest in his advice. HE is working for YOU, HE should have your best interest at hand to limit liability.

1990C4S 03-20-2015 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by WIL84911 (Post 8539023)
(let's not go there as I'm on the edge of divorce).

There's your surefire way to make your tax problems seem insignificant.

jwasbury 03-20-2015 08:19 AM

Tax withholding is formula based, and as already stated there is a lot of info out there that you can use to figure out what to enter on the W-4 you provide to employers to insure you don't get stuck with a large underpayment at year end. This assumes, of course, that your income level is relatively stable. Internal Revenue Service is a great source of info. As screwed up as government agencies often are, the IRS website is actually excellent (a good use of our tax dollars, for once).

For the typical W-2 wage earner (no rental properties, no small business, etc.), there are only a few deductions available. Mortgage interest, property taxes and state taxes are generally the only meaningful ones aside from the dependents/personal exemptions. For those with kids, you may also qualify for dependent care credits, or the child tax credit...although these phase out at a level that will put a lot of working people in the NYC metro area above the limit.

Porsche-O-Phile 03-20-2015 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 1990C4S (Post 8539115)
There's your surefire way to make your tax problems seem insignificant.


Ain't that the truth.

Take a photo of some of your money now. You'll never be able to remember what it looks like again for the rest of your life.

Consider a sex-change before things go to court. Family law courts HATE males.

Good luck.

wdfifteen 03-20-2015 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jwasbury (Post 8539147)
For the typical W-2 wage earner (no rental properties, no small business, etc.), there are only a few deductions available.

There's your answer. Start some kind of small business with expenses that you can deduct. Get a good accountant, tell him what you want to do, and he'll help you maximize your deductions. You might be able to quit the part time job on the money you save owning a business doing something you enjoy.

WIL84911 03-20-2015 10:12 AM

Great responses guys. I will chew on them. You also made me laugh. Made my day. Yes I'm also starting a small business so I assume that helps next tax season.

M.D. Holloway 03-20-2015 12:04 PM

I had a lot of 1099 income 2 years ago - more then I thought I would ever get. I paid lots as well. I wised up and formed an LLC and invoiced through that. I am in good stead now.

I think you need a better accountant.

widgeon13 03-20-2015 12:06 PM

Are you fully funding and IRA and 401K? If you aren't, you should be.

Those two will reduce your AGI and consequently lower your taxes. You keep the money in hand and pay tax on it when you start taking it out.

Better to pay yourself than the Freakin IRS! No brainer in my book.

dennis in se pa 03-20-2015 12:09 PM

Taxes are not an area most people should DIY. My accountant costs me $400-$500 at tax time, but it saves me money. Penny wise and pound foolish. Don't be that.

wdfifteen 03-20-2015 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by M.D. Holloway (Post 8539507)
I had a lot of 1099 income 2 years ago - more then I thought I would ever get. I paid lots as well. I wised up and formed an LLC and invoiced through that. I am in good stead now.

I'm curious. How did that help your tax situation?

Mike80911 03-20-2015 01:04 PM

Not much advise to add but if I only paid 11K at the end of the year in addition to my quarterly payments I would be thrilled. But as already mentioned start a 401K and max out you can't touch it for a while but better in your account than theirs.
MD I am also curious how did the LLC make a difference as opposed to 1099?

MBAtarga 03-20-2015 01:26 PM

I took it that the OP had to pay an EXTRA 11k previously, and ONLY an extra 5K this past year.

jwasbury 03-20-2015 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by widgeon13 (Post 8539512)
Are you fully funding and IRA and 401K? If you aren't, you should be.

Those two will reduce your AGI and consequently lower your taxes. You keep the money in hand and pay tax on it when you start taking it out.

Better to pay yourself than the Freakin IRS! No brainer in my book.

^very true. Maxing out 401(k) contributions should be top of the list for any of us wage-slaves. Assuming your employer makes matching contributions, if you do not max out you are leaving money on the table.

If you participate in an employer sponsored 401(k), IRA contributions deduction phases out beginning at AGI=96k and is fully phased at AGI=116k.

Hugh R 03-20-2015 01:37 PM

That is how I took it as well. People who get big tax refunds, should plan better. My taxes are pretty much a wash coming April 15, with me getting something back from the Feds, and owning the state a few bucks.

WIL84911 03-20-2015 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MBAtarga (Post 8539647)
I took it that the OP had to pay an EXTRA 11k previously, and ONLY an extra 5K this past year.

Correct. That's because 2013 wife had max exemptions. 2014 she brought it down to zero but not both jobs.

motion 03-20-2015 10:39 PM

The IRS allows you to take losses on a business for a certain number of years. Its a no-brainer. Pick something related to a hobby that you spend money on, and start channeling your expenses legitimately in that direction. You'll be surprised at how fast it will add up. The barriers to creating a business are very small these days. Another no-brainer is a rental property or two. The depreciation (which I don't really understand that well) is a great way to offset income. Its been magical for me. I pay my accountant over $1,000 a year and have for the past 20 years. Its money VERY well spent!

VFR750 03-21-2015 02:07 AM

I track every years taxes and 1040 inputs in an excel spreadsheet. All deductions are logged

The irs uses a formula to calculated taxes. So you can predict your taxes based on the inputs.

Essentially I track my 1040 and predict next years liability

Now, each year is different, like you. I set a target tax, and set my w4 to match.

By July I repeat and make adjustments to my w4.

My goal is to only get back a small amount or owe a small amount.

Works for me

jwasbury 03-21-2015 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by motion (Post 8540146)
Another no-brainer is a rental property or two. The depreciation (which I don't really understand that well) is a great way to offset income. Its been magical for me.

^Careful with this one...losses on rental property are subject to passive activity loss rules. You can deduct the losses only to the extent you have passive income. If you have a lot of other investments which generate income, this is passive and the depreciation on rental properties can create deductible losses. For the "ordinary" wage-slave like me, losses on rental properties will not shelter our W-2 ordinary income because the wages are not "passive" income.

nota 03-21-2015 12:00 PM

see below

nota 03-21-2015 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 8539525)
I'm curious. How did that help your tax situation?

biz expense deducts to reduce the gross in ways not allow on a personal income tax return while keeping the standard deduct to personal income


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