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Problem solved.
No mystery no more
Thanx

So, only four hours on the part, but it was in a larger assembly. What happened? How does that impact the life and value of the part?

There are people that do this type of speculation in aircraft parts for a living.

Be careful.

Well... the A was only made for 3 years. Is it usable on a B or C ? I don't know, but if not, then you have a pretty limited market.

What paperwork does it come with?
Was it on a civilian ship, or a military ship?

It's pretty damn dirty for only having 4 hours on it.

What are you actually getting for your money? This seller has another auction for the grips that you see in the photo. Main Rotor Friction Dampners Set of 3 Hughes 269A Helicopter Parts | eBay

This seller just joined ebay in seven months ago. Almost all of his feedback is from buying stuff.

Without a thorough inspection of the part, examination of the paperwork, and full disclosure of what you are actually buying, well, it's value is whatever scrap metal is going for these days.

Besides - I thought you wanted a rotor head for a 500.

By the way, if you want an answer as to what a 269A head is worth, call Quinn @ 402-670-0038. He has a bunch of parts for the 269 series, and all of his stuff is legit.

Short of the lid on a nuclear reactor, that's just about the last thing you want to take a chance on.
regards,
Phil

OK Thanx all
The Borg of thought here as always is fantastic !

Im thinking lamp stand

$120 a ton last week

OHHhhh comon
If he has paper work, and IF 4 hours left on it, its worth a "timed out" core at least.?
Unless like said if "Military" then its non certed .
I do not know if the thing would be marked TH which I think is the military P.N.
I am just not all educated with all the 269 genealogy .
I do know there are several A- D? and more
The power levels of engine had something to do with TBO with it all .

To recap-
If it is a civilian and it is real, with paperwork what would be a real real safe bet ( bid?)

I can think of better things to spend $12 grand on, even as a shaky "investment".

I would never spend 12G on it.

Depends on what paperwork....it does not look like a head with four hours on it however. The seller should be able to provide a copy of the celts, which is most likely just as removed trace. I would guess it is from an accident machine, and would have to be fully inspected to be serviceable. So add in the cost of ndt for sure at a minimum.

However I have successfully ebayed good parts in the past, it is not impossible that it is a serviceable head. Find out if it was involved in a crash/fire etc and then you can begin to value the part.

What kind of paper work should come with this part if it real and validates TBO ?
The guy that owns this stuff is playing stupid with me.
I know there are green tags


This is scary
Aviation parts tag - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It reads " Tagging, especially "yellow tag," is a term used in US aviation to indicate a part is serviceable and airworthy as evaluated by an FAA certified repair station.[1] It is important to note that this term is an industry term and is not an FAA requirement or even mentioned in the Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR).[2][3]

Red Tag: component is scrap or unusable
Yellow Tag: component is serviceable and airworthy
Green Tag: component is not airworthy but is repairable

The 500 is another project.

At a minimum trace to its last certified install, but as a rotor head you should receive the parts log book as well with hours documented TSN and TSO.

OK, Thank you !

Yellow Tag: component is serviceable and airworthy
Green Tag: component is not airworthy but is repairable

This is counter-intuitive - one would think green would be "good to go"

http://avionicsmasters.com/about-avionics-masters

With this deal its supposed to have a LOT of time left on it...
That is what i am trying to sort out.
I do not want to fork monies out for a core .
The part is a 1000 miles from me, not so EZ to run over and look at..(It is in Mo.)
But i will if the price is right.

I didn't know you could bid under an existing bid on eBay?

I sort of know the guy.
He has a lot of stuff for sale.

So you know he's shady enough to cancel an auction and sell you something out from under another bidder, but you trust that he's not lying to you on condition of the part?


Please don't fly this near anyone I care about.

Sorry, P4L has it exactly right.

Why the hell would this guy take a lesser offer from you if he has an eBay bidder in the $12k range???

Wow dude, switch to decaf or something.

Riddle solved.
Hughes made a Gyro in the late 1960-1970s ( J 2 rare )
They used the exact same rotor head as in their helicopter ..But, its not marked with a 269 part number, relegating it to part that looks correct, is correct, but not usable at any price.

Just to further some transfer of knowledge here:

Although is has in the past been a practice generally accepted in the industry, tags mean "f**k all" to the FAA. Many parts to this day are advertised as "yellow tagged" and this is understood to mean that the part has at least been inspected and verified as good to be reinstalled - HOWEVER the tag alone is not an FAA legal document for that purpose.

Each Part 145 shop will have an "accepted forms" manual, that is forms used by their shop and that the FAA has found acceptable. However they mean NOTHING once they leave that shop. They are for identification in the shop. In my shop, yellow tags identify military parts, green tags identify civilian parts, and red tags identify FUBAR parts. In my shop, they do not indicate if the part is good or bad, only what the nature is of the parts usage. And that is the FAA Acceptable usage of tags and tag colors for my shop. For "return to service" for an item coming from a shop, you should have an FAA Form 8130 or at the very least a shop work order with an FAA acceptable release and return to service statement on the work order.

For a used helicopter rotor head, you should have a Component History Card for each and every life-limited component. On a Bell 412 rotor head, I have a card for each of the 8 blade retention bolts, a card for each of the two yoke plates, a card for each of the 4 spindles, a card for the upper cone, a card for the lower, a card for the cap, etc, etc. Every single card should have entries on it showing the life history of the component, including hours in service, inspections, etc, and a final entry that shows when and why it was removed.

For a used Hughes 269 rotor head, you should expect similar documentation.

Thank you.
If you run across the 3 or 5 blade head, bused, timed out what ever, i would love to rent part of it for a six or seven days.
This part for the Hughes has been a rough road to figure out.
AFAIK its worth its wait in scrap, or perhaps a few bucks to J2 guy.
Thanx for the help!

Unfortunately for you (or fortunately for me) I do not work on Schweizer or MD helicopters.
3 blade heads are Hughes 269, 300 / Schweizer 269, 300 / Sikorsky 300C, 300CBi.
The 4 blade rotor was Hughes 369 and 500.
The 5 blade rotor was Hughes 500D and later MD 500D, et al
I think the MD 600 series uses 6 blades.

Well........if you stumble upon one or part of one, please let me know.
We have prints and drawings here...still I would like a hands on examination to make a scaled dwn version.
Thanx

Have you thought about this?
Much, much simpler.
http://helimat.free.fr/2005/aout/Rou.../5IMG_6056.jpg

Are you not worried about patent infringement lawsuits when you rip off somebody's design and stick it on an experimental?

Here is a thread you may have already seen:
http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2681

There is no patent problems if someone copies a product for personal use and not resale. ( at least thats what a couple attorneys told me years ago )
I have not thought of the above rotor head at all, I have seen a couple pix, but I thought is was RC stuff.
I do like the lead lag simple design and dampeners .
Found it.