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jyl 04-25-2015 06:40 AM

Microsoft Windows 10 Technical Preview
 
I have my new MacBook Pro running Parallels so I needed Windows. Felt like taking a chance, so I installed Windows 10 Technical Preview. I figure, it is running in a VM so I can wipe it out if I don't like it. So far, I like it. More than I expected.

I am a Windows curmudgeon. Stuck with 3.1, hated 95. Stuck with XP, hated Vista. Stuck with 7, didn't even try 8. But I'm cautiously okay with 10.

Admittedly I wouldn't mind returning to DOS, girls with big hair, and 5" floppies.

LakeCleElum 04-25-2015 07:18 AM

They had to pry 3.1 out of my hands at work because I didn't want that new fangled "MOUSE" thing.

Have had a copy of Win 8.1 on the shelf for a year and haven't installed it....

Mark Wilson 04-25-2015 07:42 AM

8 sucks donkey scroat

stomachmonkey 04-25-2015 07:59 AM

Girls with big hair are responsible for climate change.

Good to hear on 10.

Wife is doing her painting and wine girls thing tonight so may have to take a look at 10.

jyl 04-25-2015 08:50 AM

Let me know what you think. I didn't use 8 so have no frame of reference.

Porsche-O-Phile 04-25-2015 09:26 AM

Microsoft Windows 10 Technical Preview
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jyl (Post 8594097)
Admittedly I wouldn't mind returning to DOS, girls with big hair, and 5" floppies.


I prefer my girls without any floppy bits but to each their own... :p

Rick V 04-25-2015 10:22 AM

I have two laptops both running Vista and I like it, I am gonna cry when I have to give it up

asphaltgambler 04-25-2015 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LakeCleElum (Post 8594155)
.................

Have had a copy of Win 8.1 on the shelf for a year and haven't installed it....

You should leave it there...........or use it to shim your next wood working project install......trust me - it's soooooo bad

onewhippedpuppy 04-25-2015 12:12 PM

8 is horrendous, it can't get much worse.

scottmandue 04-25-2015 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jyl (Post 8594097)

Admittedly I wouldn't mind returning to DOS, girls with big hair, and 5" floppies.

LINUX is the next big thing... shhh... don't tell anybody!

And I have a 8" floppy pined to the board by my bench... take that!

HardDrive 04-25-2015 01:34 PM

Why do you hate Win 8 so much? I have no use for the tile menus, but you can run it like a 'classic' windows box. I think its pretty efficient. My primary laptop is a MacBook Pro, I'm certainly no MSFT fan boy, but I like 8.

Shaun @ Tru6 04-25-2015 02:01 PM

I run Parallels and Win7 on my MBPro. No problems in 6 months.

Por_sha911 04-25-2015 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jyl (Post 8594097)
Admittedly I wouldn't mind returning to DOS, girls with big hair, and 5" floppies.

Girs with 5" floppies?
LOL

Nickshu 04-26-2015 07:39 AM

7 was an excellent improvement.

8 stinks

10 hopefully will get it right.

BlueSkyJaunte 04-26-2015 10:08 AM

8/8.1 is horrible via the Metro interface. Using ClassicShell and running in desktop mode it's almost as tolerable as 7.0.

One good thing is that it boots up really fast--which is very helpful considering how often I need to reboot.

pcardude 04-26-2015 01:21 PM

Microsoft is doing some neat stuff lately!

biosurfer1 04-26-2015 01:44 PM

I'm guessing Windows 9 was so bad they scraped it before they even announced it? :)

gorthar 04-26-2015 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueSkyJaunte (Post 8595629)
8/8.1 is horrible via the Metro interface. Using ClassicShell and running in desktop mode it's almost as tolerable as 7.0.

One good thing is that it boots up really fast--which is very helpful considering how often I need to reboot.

Yes running Classic Shell is the ONLY way I can tolerate Windows 8. It should be a mandatory download lol...

onewhippedpuppy 04-26-2015 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gorthar (Post 8596007)
Yes running Classic Shell is the ONLY way I can tolerate Windows 8. It should be a mandatory download lol...

Same here. But rather sad you have to install additional software to make the current version of Windows work like the prior version to make it tolerable.

charlesbahn 04-26-2015 05:38 PM

I run window 8.1 in an office environment with touch screens; it's OK once you get used to the gui. Not had any problems. Kali Linux on a VM for the important stuff though :D

Aragorn 04-27-2015 08:44 AM

Windows 8 was too big a leap for the average consumer. Some simple tasks were made too hard (turning off the computer with these 6 easy clicks and hidden menus.) 8.1 solved some problems but is still too hard for the average "windows" user to get comfortable using. Windows 7 was very similar to both XP and Vista but still had its problems.

Hope Windows 10 solves some of the compatibility issues and has an easier to use interface. Really didn't like that some XP games and programs were incompatible with both 7 and 8.

Different versions of Linux have been my go to OS for the last few years. Easy to use and very much like XP in both design and interface.

flipper35 04-27-2015 08:56 AM

If you do any gaming on the PC Windows 8.x is pretty bad. They removed hardware acceleration in DirectX and added it back in for Windows 10.

We have Windows 7 and XP at home. At work we have 8.1 and no one really likes it even on the touch screens. Then again, none of our applications are really made for touch screens either.

We do some local multiplayer at home and it is difficult to find games that are easy enough for a 5 year old that will keep dad and a 13 year old interested. Battlefield 1942 with EoD and DCX mods are one, this is another. He may not be able to go around a track very fast, but in a derby he is pretty good.

http://www.theisozone.com/images/scr...1379947440.jpg

BlueSkyJaunte 04-27-2015 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flipper35 (Post 8597069)
Then again, none of our applications are really made for touch screens either.

This is something that infuriates me about software/touchscreens today.

Nobody can figure out how to make a useful web browser that works in a touchscreen environment.

Android browsers are abysmally painful to use - interfaces change with each release, browser plug-ins/extensions are unavailable, etc.

Windows browsers have all the benefits of full functionality but are completely unsuitable for using a meat pointer.

Desktop Linux is so far behind on touchscreens it's laughable.

I don't use iOS so I won't comment there, but I have no reason to believe AdBlock can be installed in whatever the iOS browser is.

flipper35 04-27-2015 09:26 AM

Our daughter uses Chrome on her android tablet. Stays pretty consistent. We looked at a couple apps that are made specifically for touch enabled Windows kiosks. They have nice big buttons to touch and pre-filled forms.

onewhippedpuppy 04-27-2015 09:39 AM

As someone that has multiple i-devices I ponder why a PC has to be touchscreen? I mean we all know Windows is just following the fad, but it makes many simple tasks so much more complicated. I tried out my Win 8 laptop in touchscreen mode and eventually disabled the feature, as I felt that it made simple tasks more difficult and caused some compatibility issues. Just for comparison, doing a simple highlight/copy/paste with a touchscreen vs a mouse. When a feature makes simple tasks take longer with more effort, it is not an upgrade.

I also wonder why Microsoft seems to believe that every new iteration of their software or OS needs to be a revolution? Typically they keep the same baseline functionality but change every element of the UI so you have to totally relearn how to do the exact same thing. If they added capability but kept the same basic functionality I suspect they would have far more demand for upgrades.

BlueSkyJaunte 04-27-2015 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 8597150)
As someone that has multiple i-devices I ponder why a PC has to be touchscreen? I mean we all know Windows is just following the fad, but it makes many simple tasks so much more complicated.

I like a touchscreen for consumption, and a keyboard for production.

We have a Lenovo Yoga 13 Ideapad that's a poor tablet and a decent laptop.

We have a Lenovo Yoga Tablet 2 that's a decent tablet and a poor laptop. The reason it's a decent tablet is because it's not locked into the crappy "tablet app" ecosystem. It'll run actual, real programs (e.g., a browser that can run AdBlock, GuitarPro 6, and some real games).

We have multiple Android tablets that are mediocre at best. I don't see any difference between them and the iPads I have played with.

red-beard 04-27-2015 10:53 AM

A general ***** about touchscreens:

My Ford F350 truck has a touch screen. To do several things, switch radio from one type (AM, FM, Sat, etc), you have to use the touch screen. As you're trying to touch something, any ****ing bump in the road automatically means you hit the wrong button, or touch outside the button, switching screens! Infuriating.

My wife's BMW has a "dial" on the console to allow you to spin through the menus and things. While not as quick, it is more "sure".

Fortunately, the voice control on my Truck works EXCELLENT. It is fairly quick, accurate and responsive. This eliminates most of the issues with the touch screen.

Back to the topic: I agree with BSJ - "touchscreen for consumption, and a keyboard for production". I use a mouse and keyboard with my Android tablet if I need to do any serious work with it.

jyl 04-27-2015 11:00 AM

Another who doesn't "get" touchscreen for PCs. Aside from the poor UI implementation, there is the effort of holding your arm up for hours of a day, and fingerprints all over the screen.

stomachmonkey 04-27-2015 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red-beard (Post 8597253)
A general ***** about touchscreens:

My Ford F350 truck has a touch screen. To do several things, switch radio from one type (AM, FM, Sat, etc), you have to use the touch screen. As you're trying to touch something, any ****ing bump in the road automatically means you hit the wrong button, or touch outside the button, switching screens! Infuriating.

My wife's BMW has a "dial" on the console to allow you to spin through the menus and things. While not as quick, it is more "sure".

Fortunately, the voice control on my Truck works EXCELLENT. It is fairly quick, accurate and responsive. This eliminates most of the issues with the touch screen.

Back to the topic: I agree with BSJ - "touchscreen for consumption, and a keyboard for production". I use a mouse and keyboard with my Android tablet if I need to do any serious work with it.

Dials are tactile and if they have audible or haptic feedback allow one to use them without looking at them.

Way less distracting.

stomachmonkey 04-27-2015 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueSkyJaunte (Post 8597114)
......Nobody can figure out how to make a useful web browser that works in a touchscreen environment.....

No mouse hover.

Means you lose the ability to create visual feedback for actionable elements.

BlueSkyJaunte 04-27-2015 12:57 PM

There's that. There's also the fact that there are 6 "actionable elements" at the bottom of every post on this screen and my meat pointer just doesn't have sufficient precision to guarantee a high rate of correct "actions".

Tab management, bookmark management, data entry, and page interaction (clicking on links) are all difficult tasks with a fingertip.


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