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aschen 05-14-2015 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Gogar (Post 8622275)
Sounds kind of cool!

I've also heard of a concept where they convert the physical energy from braking into electricity, and store it in a battery. Then they place electric motors at each wheel and utilize them for instant torque that even the best turbocharger would have trouble replicating.

Sounds a bit far off, though. Definitely not as cool as the turbo idea! :)

Several current production cars do this already more or less

wdfifteen 05-14-2015 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Gogar (Post 8622275)
I've also heard of a concept where they convert the physical energy from braking into electricity, and store it in a battery. Then they place electric motors at each wheel and utilize them for instant torque that even the best turbocharger would have trouble replicating.

Sounds a bit far off, though. Definitely not as cool as the turbo idea! :)

Should that have been in green? Even my golf cart has regenerative braking.

sammyg2 05-14-2015 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Douglas (Post 8622306)
Good idea. We'll call it Can of Boost, pronounced Can-a-boost.

If we put it on a VW van it would be called can-a-bus ;)



I crack me up.

Aufenbahn 05-14-2015 08:03 AM

F1 cars use technology like this right now. Energy is stored electronically.

onewhippedpuppy 05-14-2015 08:29 AM

Audi is introducing a turbo that is electronically pre-spooled to eliminate lag. Which is probably a simpler solution to this issue.

widebody911 05-14-2015 08:36 AM

Compressed air car - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Shaun @ Tru6 05-14-2015 09:31 AM

Just get some duct tape and a leaf blower. done.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1431624694.jpg

campbellcj 05-14-2015 12:46 PM

Wouldn't a supercharger be more straightforward and efficient than running a similar compressor into a storage/release system?

jgreen 05-14-2015 01:01 PM

I remember Don Garlits tried a compressed air reservoir in place of a belt driven supercharger. Must not have worked!

Gogar 05-14-2015 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 8622506)
Should that have been in green? Even my golf cart has regenerative braking.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aschen (Post 8622456)
Several current production cars do this already more or less


Wow! Can't sneak any funny stuff past you guys! You must be great fun at parties.

BlueSkyJaunte 05-14-2015 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Douglas (Post 8622306)
Good idea. We'll call it Can of Boost, pronounced Can-a-boost.

Not Can-nae-boost?

Laddie?

Bill Douglas 05-14-2015 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 8622605)
If we put it on a VW van it would be called can-a-bus ;)



I crack me up.

Ah, your fault I laughed so much I spilled my coffee :D

aschen 05-14-2015 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Gogar (Post 8623120)
Wow! Can't sneak any funny stuff past you guys! You must be great fun at parties.

Nothing gets a party going like sarcasm related to the nuances of hybrid drivetrains

wdfifteen 05-14-2015 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by aschen (Post 8623364)
Nothing gets a party going like sarcasm related to the nuances of hybrid drivetrains

Follow up with a filmstrip presentation on the turbo encabulator. You'll get invited back again and again.

Flieger 05-14-2015 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jgreen (Post 8623113)
I remember Don Garlits tried a compressed air reservoir in place of a belt driven supercharger. Must not have worked!

Compressed-Air Supercharging

My boss is working on bringing that system in the article to market.

john70t 05-15-2015 07:35 AM

Not the same thing....but France had an air-powered car a few decades ago:
BBC NEWS | Europe | France to unveil air-powered car

All pressure between the butterfly and valves are dependent on use.

wdfifteen 05-15-2015 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Flieger (Post 8623450)
Compressed-Air Supercharging

My boss is working on bringing that system in the article to market.

Since oxygen is the element that is needed for combustion, why use air (assuming by "air" you mean the natural (78% N, 21%O) air), why not just use oxygen in a much lower volume?

Flieger 05-15-2015 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 8624770)
Since oxygen is the element that is needed for combustion, why use air (assuming by "air" you mean the natural (78% N, 21%O) air), why not just use oxygen in a much lower volume?

Good question, I can ask him. I imagine it is the safety risk. The drag race sanctioning bodies were swayed to allow compressed air tanks but pure O2 is a lot more flammable. The system has blow off valves that dump to atmosphere and dumping O2 would be a major fire risk.

He was a partner at NOS, and he doesn't like N2O now. It is too unstable- it will actually detonate (decompose) on its own under pressure, and it is not a repeatable thing cycle to cycle so it is really hard on engines. The compressed air is a smooth burn, much better for time between overhauls.

1990C4S 05-16-2015 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 8621897)
please elaborate.

You need a compressor of some sort,which is a drag on the engine always, even when it's not compressing you are sapping power from the engine. Much like an AC compressor.

Overall the car is less efficient, it's also heavier now.

Next, you can't rely on the compressed air, so the car needs to have 'adequate' power without the aid of the compressed air. The compressor would be empty if you needed the extra power twice in quick succession. So now you are looking at 'fun' power, not base power.

I don't see it.

nynor 05-16-2015 09:50 AM

stored boost has been done successfully with a ducati twin setup so that one cylinder acts as a supercharger. boost is stored in a high pressure tank to assist with acceleration from a stop. i found a full write up on the project a couple of years back. if interested, i'll try to find it again.


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