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Aurel 07-09-2015 02:35 PM

He did what stupid drivers do all the time, and always pisses me off: try to jump into the left lane right away, instead of using the merging and right lane to accelerate. Right lane was empty.

Tobra 07-09-2015 03:13 PM

I think the rear wheel kicked out a little on him as he rolled through the debris that was between the on ramp and the traffic lanes. Lucky for him everyone was paying attention or he would have been an organ donor.

wdfifteen 07-09-2015 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by wayner (Post 8703817)
There is that target fixation phenomena that, when running out of road causes you to want to stand it up thinking your going to lose traction.

That was always the problem I had. I don't know why. I was never able to trust the bikes. Always felt like they were going to slip out from under me. I was a crappy motorcyclist - except that I never had anything like a high performance motorcycle. My favorite motorcycle was my BMW R-50 with Earl's forks. It was a truck.

Flieger 07-09-2015 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 8704171)
That was always the problem I had. I don't know why. I was never able to trust the bikes. Always felt like they were going to slip out from under me. I was a crappy motorcyclist - except that I never had anything like a high performance motorcycle. My favorite motorcycle was my BMW R-50 with Earl's forks. It was a truck.

After a couple nasty crashes on my bicycle I have the same problem. I end up tiptoeing downhill. Just don't trust the tires leaned over- keep anticipating that sickening feeling of them sliding out from under me.

Por_sha911 07-09-2015 06:19 PM

That rider ran out of talent far earlier than traction. Bozo move that should have gotten him killed.

cstreit 07-09-2015 09:06 PM

He was afraid to lean more. ,probably the typical squared off tire squid. May have hit the brakes which makes the bike stand up. Easily avoided if he didn't panic.

Heel n Toe 07-10-2015 12:12 AM

He started his leftward slide at 16 to 17 seconds into the video. He seemed to be a lost cause long before he got to the marbles in that area to the left of the onramp.

What if he had old, dry tires?

Or maybe at least the front was way past its expiration date.

I think he thought he could save it.

Until he couldn't. :D

Look at the slo-mo segment closely... it looks like he would've been okay if the truck hadn't been there. He was beginning to get it upright and pointed forward.

But, along with several other problems, the truck was there... so he was blessed with a wakeup call and a valuable lesson.

Chocaholic 07-10-2015 12:23 AM

The lean is secondary. He needed to countersteer his motorcycle, but probably had no familiarity with the concept.

winders 07-10-2015 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Chocaholic (Post 8704483)
The lean is secondary. He needed to countersteer his motorcycle, but probably had no familiarity with the concept.

I used to coach motorcycle racers and it is amazing how many of them don't know that countersteering is what turns the bike.

The bike in the video wasn't sliding....it was not properly steered. He didn't know what he was doing.

flatbutt 07-10-2015 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by winders (Post 8704492)
I used to coach motorcycle racers and it is amazing how many of them don't know that countersteering is what turns the bike.

The bike in the video wasn't sliding....it was not properly steered. He didn't know what he was doing.

^yup, it looks like he carried more speed than he could handle, maybe braked which stood the bike up even more. Entrance ramps are meant to be used for safe acceleration but too many guys use them as launch pads.

sugarwood 07-11-2015 05:44 AM

It seems he only knows how to lean over, which looks really unnatural and stiff.

His lack of countersteer looks really weird. His lean looked like a low budget cartoon animation. When I would turn, I wouldn't lean my body, I would lean the bike by pressing on the handles, and my body would sort of stay upright. His body is parallel with the bike, which doesn't look right.

speeder 07-11-2015 07:24 AM

Doesn't have a clue how to operate a MC combined with horrible normal driving skills/judgement. Can't believe he didn't get run over. He's probably too stupid to be scared off bikes by his own incompetence but hopefully not. :cool:

atcjorg 07-11-2015 09:27 AM

This lad is destined to be an organ donor, I am too but it won't be from stupidity and complete lack of skill demonstrated by this squid. 1) no gear... t shirt and tennis shoes...really? 2) inability to hold a line, 3) inability to adjust a bad line. he had plenty of available ground clearance to tighten up his turn. He needs an MSF course or 2 and this wouldn't hurt Total Control Advanced Riding Clinic

creaturecat 07-12-2015 08:09 AM

looks like he layed 'er down

Geary 07-12-2015 08:36 AM

Obviously his very first time on that bike. He hadn't intended to immediately cross over into the 1st lane, much less the 2nd.

Baz 07-12-2015 08:39 AM

Well done on the counter steering comments.....that rider is very lucky the car behind him moved over!

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javadog 07-12-2015 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Chocaholic (Post 8704483)
The lean is secondary. He needed to countersteer his motorcycle, but probably had no familiarity with the concept.

Countersteering is what you to initiate leaning, or to increase the angle of lean. Having the correct lean angle for your speed and the desired corner radius is what it's all about. He didn't have enough experience/talent to know what this was, when heading into the corner.

He did increase his lean angle just before hitting the truck but by then it was too late. A classic case of too much speed, not enough lean angle and a lousy line into the corner. Once he started drifting wide, he was in panic mode and essentially just along for the ride, not in control of it.

JR

Baz 07-12-2015 01:09 PM

Some more crashes.......some real doozeys! :rolleyes:

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flatbutt 07-12-2015 02:53 PM

Wow Baz there is some serious stupid in that collection. Most are pilot error but the crash at 2:15 caused by the car driver is beyond description.


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