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Don Ro 07-11-2015 09:57 AM

Machinists - Threading SS?
 
Can I thread a 6.36 mm/.248 inch stainless steel rod?
I have a new high carbon steel Irwin Hanson hexagon 6mm x 1.00 die for this.
Or will I ruin the die on stainless steel?
Will I need a special die for SS?
I've ground a 45 degree chamfer on the rod but haven't started to thread it yet.
I don't have a lathe, BTW.
Thanks for any info.

1990C4S 07-11-2015 11:34 AM

I think your stock is too big...

https://www.yamawa.com/en/support/technical/pdf/technical-contents-14.pdf

It should be ~5.8 mm-6.0 mm

Don Ro 07-11-2015 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1990C4S (Post 8706211)
I think your stock is too big...

https://www.yamawa.com/en/support/technical/pdf/technical-contents-14.pdf

It should be ~5.8 mm-6.0 mm

Thanks for that.
Will I need a special die for SS...will I ruin the die I intend to use?

Jrboulder 07-11-2015 11:40 AM

You should be fine as long as you use plenty of oil. A HSS die would be better but carbon steel will work ok. If you have to do the whole length you might be better off just buying a piece of all thread.

Don Ro 07-11-2015 11:47 AM

No full length...an inch or so.
I'll try it and see...this die new was only $8 so we'll see.
Thanks for the input and link.

Don Ro 07-11-2015 11:47 AM

Thanks to both of you gents.

Don Ro 07-11-2015 11:51 AM

BTW gents, any input on a good 'bang for the buck' tap/die sets?

Jim Bremner 07-11-2015 01:55 PM

What would be the best oil for this? Dark cutting oil or light?

1990C4S 07-11-2015 02:04 PM

SS is a ba$$$stard to machine. I would buy an M6 SS bolt and cut an inch off the end...

dlockhart 07-11-2015 02:08 PM

1 Pint of Castrol Moly Dee CF Cutting Tapping Fluid Moly D | eBay

Very good stuff but for a single cut not worth the time or effort. Old timers got by with lard oil, or the more modern equivalent, Crisco.

Get a quality die and use lots of lube and take your time.

Don Ro 07-11-2015 02:17 PM

I may end up buying threaded M6 rod.
I've got a ton of 1/4" SS rods...3' long...thought I'd use them.
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I'm making supports for a DIY windscreen for my Duc. Hypermotard.
I must have gone through a dozen different ideas with this project.
It's fun but prototyping is time consuming.
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I have some sewing machine oil from years ago that l've been using...works well.

sammyg2 07-11-2015 03:35 PM

There are a dozen common types of stainless steel available and another 40 or so rare alloys. Which stainless steel are you talking about?

Don Ro 07-11-2015 03:40 PM

Dunno...I just came across this supply of SS rods.
I've read about 303 & 304.
As far as machineability, 303 cuts beautifully. 304 is miserable...that's the extent of my savvy.

Don Ro 07-11-2015 03:44 PM

This is not a do or die deal...I have some steel rods I can salvage.
But I'm coming to the end of my few steel rods due to all of the trial & errors.
That's heavy on "errors". ;)
Thought I could delve into my SS rods if needed.

Don Ro 07-11-2015 03:46 PM

I fab-up a set of support rods that fit and will work, then I get a better idea and those rods won't work so hot.
I'm retired and like to putz & fiddle...ya dig? :)
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SS rods are magnetic, if that means anything.

Don Ro 07-11-2015 04:56 PM

Just read this on a machinist forum...a hoot! :)
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"Don't laugh until after you have tried this: for threading small diameter (1/2" or less) stainless rod, use plain ole lard. Yep, the cooking stuff. I worked in a textile mill for ten years where there was plenty of SS machining to be done.

We bought lard in the five gallon pails to use with threading and machining, put it on with small paint brushes. Another good product for pumping through coolant systems, and to use by hand, is the Ridgid Dark threading oil.

The lard is incredible on any metal but like mentioned, on stainless it's hard to beat.
Animal fat has a capillary action that loves Iron molecules.
- David"

fanaudical 07-11-2015 05:54 PM

I used to work somewhere that hydrocarbon-based lubricants on the metal products was a no-no and so everything was animal-fat based. Didn't smell good in August in that shop.

I use 'Tap Magic' for most threading applications (including stainless) in my garage. It works very well. You should have no issues with HSS taps/dies in stainless if you're careful and lube well.

NY65912 07-13-2015 08:54 AM

Mix in a small amount of dark cutting oil into mineral oil, a substitute for NuClear cutting oil for SS. We've done that in a pinch. Agreed, Tap Magic is excellent.

jorian 07-13-2015 09:31 AM

No help on your project here but would love to see the results. From a fellow Hyper owner.

Don Ro 07-13-2015 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jorian (Post 8708499)
No help on your project here but would love to see the results. From a fellow Hyper owner.

Will do.
If I ever finish it...changing my mind about the mounting hardware/struts every 2 hours.
It's crazy-makin'...
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...but fun, just the same. ;)
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Have the rig in my living room where it's 76 degrees...it's 110' in my garage. My house interior looks like my work shop now.
I don't care. :D


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