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I am very good at math, science, engineering and technology related subjects. I got mostly A's thorough eng graduate school. However, I can hardly spell my own name, I get left and right confused all the time, and the most creative bit of art I can draw is a stick figure. Most of yall have seen how bad I am at written communication. I think in a casual conversation on non tech related subjects, many would make fun of me for being an idiot. I am not however. I used to use the deliberately twisted analogy: We all have stars in different baskets. An idiot to me is somebody who is constantly telling everybody how smart they are. I know we arn't doing that here, but sometimes it seems to me that everybody thinks they are smarter than everybody else. That math, I know doest work out! |
Didn't meant o be condescending in my note, but tell you to manage your expectations when interacting with people. You aren't in an engineering meeting when ordering cold cuts. And yes, someone has to work the deli counter and I am thankful people do.
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We recently had a job fair at my company. These are all entry level jobs and the pay scale is just above $10/hr. There are 2 stumbling blocks for those who apply. Over half cannot pass a 5th grade math test. Out of those who do pass, 80% of them cannot pass a background check (drug/alcohol/criminal/etc)
This poor success rate was discussed at a staff meeting. We were set to have another job fair and HR decided to "adjust" the math test. They were going to let the candidates use a calculator. I spoke up and said "we are dumbing down the test" which didn't go over very well. I then proceeded to say that we should dumb down the background check because drug dealer and users could pass a math test, understand grams and oz and make change. This didn't go over very well either. The problem with lowering the standards to get more hires backfires. The US Army lowered the standards a few years ago and they saw a big difference in the force. It is not always a good thing. |
a possible explanation: cannabis edibles.
I tried some cannabis while having chemo, (CBD is nearly non-psychoactive, great for nausea) and was amazed while visiting dispensaries.... Several customers ahead of me were buying chocolate and cookies in large orders. I asked and they said "every day around 2 or 3 we have some edibles. Our managers just think we are eating chocolate bars." |
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I say: This machine isn't cutting right.
It's not cutting at all. In fact, it could cut better if a laser or water cutter was used instead. Laser would cauterize and delay the expectant overdue date. There would need to be precision, accuracy, weighting, and a type of electronic counting mechanism was utilized. All federally weight and means certification would apply of course. From the register a signal would be sent to the machine or operator, and the process would be seamless. Now this particular machine isn't working so I'll have to download the schematics from the internet, or deep internet, and backtrace the electrical faults as to why the thing doesn't work. She says: "Is it plugged in?" |
Not a math problem but...
I was at the supermarket today to pick up a couple of items so I waited in line at the Self Check-Out. Behind me were two or three teenagers from the local high school that had just let out. I overheard one of them say to the other: "Why are you getting in line here?" - "Because I don't know what to say to the guy behind the register" |
I bought some trim at Home Debit, fourteen 10' sections and price was by the foot, the cash girl had to get the calculator to figure out the linear feet.
I love giving clerks change so that I only get a bill back, but it not as satisfying as it once was as most registers now figure out the change for them. |
The shoe was on the other foot last wkend.
. My lady and I were walking to the car and our waitress came running out and said, "I'm good but not this good." She held out her hands with my cash and the bill...instead of leaving 3 $20 bills, I left 2 $20s and a $100. I forgot my glasses when we left the house. . I'll leave the waitress an extra large tip the next time. |
I dont want to go back to college because I'll have to take pre-calc and geometry again.
Excel and calculators have spoiled math for us. RIP In Peace Math. |
In defense of deli boy he could be a brilliant artist for all we know.
The inability "to make change" is a pet peeve of my wife's. Her daughter was in girl scouts, a big part of selling cookies was training all the girls to make correct change. [How times have changed, can you imagine sending little girls out to sell cookies door to door today?] When I was in high school calculators were starting to get popular... at that time calculators were banned from math class, pretty sure that is no longer the case. Matter of fact when I went back to school in my 30's to get a degree in electronics the instructors were pretty ok with calculators in the class room, some of us smart a$$es got programmable calculators and put the complicated electronic formulas into their memory... the instructor's threated that they would/could hit the reset and blank the memory on the calculators... but they never did. |
I have a professional certification that I got about 25 years ago, it involves using a lot of math formulas. Back then the first thing that you did at the beginning of the two day testing period was do a brain dump of all the various formulas and write them all done. IIRC, we were allowed a non-programmable calculator, and they checked as you went into the testing hall. Now, they give you a print out of most of those formulas. With internet and such with smart phones,, I guess its too easy now a days to dial up whatever you need to know. BUT, you still have to know how to apply the formulas to the test question.
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The kid might be a poet, or an artist, or maybe he has special needs. Not sure, don't know. Yes, he did get up and go to work.
Not sure either are a free pass for acceptance. I'm not a fan of participation trophies and I disagree with Woody Allen when he says that success is 90% showing up (or something like that). I wasn't a dick to the kid and I sure wasn't condescending. Those of you that know me personally know that ain't my game. I just think that if your going to take on a job then be prepared to do the job. Simple. If you are getting paid to perform a task be able to do the task. Maybe the kid isn't good at math and knowing that you would think that the deli counter would not be the best fit - maybe produce or stocking shelves. Lets just say imagine that our society depended upon those that get paid to do something are able to do the job and do it well the first time. Imagine the productivity? Imagine the quality and consistency? Why is it so harsh for so many to expect that? Again, the kid is most likely a great kid and does try. That's not a pass. Either train him to do the job - if he is unable - move him to a job where he is able. Simple no? |
I would say you are definitely a good guy and not condescending in any way.
But we never know what the "other guy" is/has gone through. For instance my wife goes to pick up her sewing machine after having it serviced, guy brings it out and she asks him a question about a broken knob on one of her other sewing machines. She goes to the cash register to pay and asks that guys a different question about sewing machines and guy #1 rushes over and says "I already answered her question!" Was he being a dick? Sure! But who know what happened before my wife walked into the store? Maybe he just got chewed out by the boss, maybe he just had a bad interaction with a customer. It your case maybe deli boy doesn't regularly work the deli, maybe the regular deli guy/gal called in sick and the box boy was called in to work the deli. |
All very possible, Scott. But at the same time, c'mon deli-counter guy, being able to do simple fractions and make change and tell time on an analog clock are all sub-6th grade skills.
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True which is why I gave him grace on sight...
I actually do think that there is always a back story yet without that knowledge we are left frustrated, accepting, wishing to help or wanting answers. I had a discussion with my Son yesterday concerning a kid at school. He told me about a kid whose parents bought him a 2011 Boxter. Said the kid was a jerk and didn't deserve it. I told him that he would change his mind if he knew the back story of the kid. Not a good one - folks trying to make up for a horrible thing that happened to the kid and they most likely feel very guilty over it. Not that a nice ride makes the pain go away but again, without knowing the back story hasty conclusions and sweeping generalizations are in error. Moral of the story: give someone the benefit of the draught once until they foam your beer twice... |
Scott you may well be correct about a replacement person at the deli counter, but to a larger point, isn't simple math sort of what you need to get through life? I mean how do you know if you're getting the correct change on the other side of the counter?
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