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john70t 09-28-2015 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by afterburn 549 (Post 8813159)
I will guess they started out with round pistons and cyl but somewhere along the lines of time
They became oval .

I assume:
There is good heat transfer through the piston.
And the lightweight side cut-outs are more prone to making it oval. A design flaw.

But why only on one side?
Why only two cylinders?

afterburn 549 09-28-2015 10:45 AM

Some pistons are made with a oval at the skirts to help with warm up, esp forged ones...
I do not know if this is the case here or not...
The heat and cold could exasperate it.
To "heat shrink" all it takes is hot on one side and cool on the other .
If you have not ever done this you can move a mountain of metal this way.
I am going to guess #5 and #6 have the biggest variances to start .
I will also guess all the engines will encounter this problem sooner or latter.
This is not a good thing.!

john70t 09-28-2015 11:03 AM

Maybe kill cyl1-4 during(after) extreme cold startup? Or at least for a minute or two?

afterburn 549 09-28-2015 11:43 AM

We could go on and guess all sorts of things..
But someone some where has to measure and see which one has changed (piston or cylinder

Jeff Alton 09-28-2015 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheeze (Post 8813549)
Is there a sound during operation that is associated with scoring? I just picked up a 987 S and am trying to discern the differences between intake noise from valves and others. During cold starts, it almost sounds like a truck.

Yes,

They have a metallic tapping sound, similar to a lifter, but doesn't go away as the builds pressure, it is there all the time. The sound gets worse as scoring gets worse. It can be pinpointed with a stethoscope.

Cheers

cheeze 09-28-2015 04:12 PM

Ah, similar to rod knock then.

Jeff Alton 09-28-2015 08:32 PM

Similar, but lighter sounding, more tinny, if that makes sense.... :)

Dropping the 3.8 at the end of the week, post some findings after that.

There is a good thread on Rennlist about scoring on the 996 forum called "blown engine". Discusses IMS issues as well, but a fellow there has done some measuring etc...

Cheers

KNS 09-29-2015 09:18 AM

What is the typical "ballpark" cost to tear down an M97 and rebuild with new sleeves?

Brando 09-29-2015 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KNS (Post 8815160)
What is the typical "ballpark" cost to tear down an M97 and rebuild with new sleeves?

I assume some head-work and reprogramming would be needed too.

Jeff Alton 09-29-2015 01:13 PM

Price all depends on what needs/gets done. LN Engineering charges 4770 to sleeve a 3.4-3.8 and supply pistons, pins, clips and rings. So add in rod bolts, gasket kits, bearings, IMSB (if you desire), chains, ramps, tensioners, water pump, valve guides, valves (if required), lifters etc plus labor to re/re engine and rebuild it. Makes most aircooled builds seem reasonable... :)

ECU will work fine with a mild displacement increase, but of course, better performance would come from a re-flash.

Brando 09-29-2015 03:50 PM

That V8 swap is looking mighty fine right now ;)

Jeff Alton 09-30-2015 06:16 PM

The V8 swap does not look good if you have ever seen the Boxster one they do.... :) We service one...

Brando 10-06-2015 03:58 PM

I have seen some good V8 swaps that look very clean and I have seen some shoddy ones that look like hackjobs.

Well, I think my 2006 CS is in the engine failure category. It had a few misfires this morning after warming up and luckily made it to my office very quickly.

Just started it up now, slight stumble followed by a loud clacking that increased with RPMs. Sounds just like rod knock. Fudge.

KNS 10-06-2015 04:27 PM

Ughh, hope it's not big ticket...

Keep up posted.

Brando 10-06-2015 04:36 PM

I'll see if I can snag a video later. I really don't want to run the car right now to prevent further damage.

cheeze 10-06-2015 04:57 PM

Sorry to hear. What kind of conditions has the car been through? Mileage?

Brando 10-07-2015 09:18 AM

Hey cheeze, to answer your questions:

Car has been regularly maintained, oil changes at 5500-6000 miles. Aftermarket headers + exhaust. New Air/Oil separator 2 years ago, brakes & tires a year ago. Just did oil change + filters 5 weeks ago. Aside from that, just washed & waxed every month. While I have owned it, never over-revved. Only above 3k RPMs when warm.

For now, car is parked at my office. I'll see about towing it home this weekend.

So what be my options?

• Replacement engines are in the $12,000 - $14,000 range.
• Rebuild? No idea what that costs, guessing about $5,000 - $8,000 in parts + labor.
• LS7 Swap? $3,500 - $4,000 range, plus smog concerns.

Specialists or techs for the M96/M97 series that can chime in?

cheeze 10-07-2015 02:32 PM

How many miles? Was it driven often?

KNS 10-07-2015 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brando (Post 8826107)

Specialists or techs for the M96/M97 series that can chime in?

I'd start a new thread here in off topic or over at Rennlist for some informative answers.

jhynesrockmtn 10-08-2015 05:55 AM

Rennlist seems much more active with the water cooled crowd for tech info.


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