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legion 09-22-2015 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 8805301)
The ultimate goal of capitalism is monopoly.

Incorrect. The goal of various participants in capitalism may be monopoly. The goal of capitalism is economic efficiency. :rolleyes:

GWN7 09-22-2015 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 8805262)
Saying it used to cost $1/tablet is pretty misleading. The first tablet usually costs upwards of $1 billion to bring to market. The second one and the rest then sell for $1. If they sell a billion of them (think Viagra or Crestor), then they get their investment back and make a profit. Making an orphan or otherwise rare disease drug is a lot different than the common stuff, which is why they usually get a much longer-term patent. They need more time to recoup their investment.

But if no one wants to bother making a generic copy of this one that just went to $750/tablet, then the price might not yet be high enough.

Anyone else out there willing to put up nine or ten figures for a drug everyone thinks should be priced according to public opinion instead of market economics? I wouldn't touch that.

I didn't say it cost a $1, I said it was produced and sold for a $1. Big difference. This was a quote from the news article.

Also read how big pharm stops generic drugs from being produced. " Though some drugs may have multiple patents – for the formulation, the chemical compound, the coating, or a new use among others – brand name companies will be permitted to sue a generic that wants to make their drug that is emerging from patent protection only once, instead of multiple times. Multiple litigations have been used to delay the ability of generics to enter the market."

Big Pharm sues on the formulation. They don't care if they win because it take a year or two before the case works it's way thru the courts (the longer the better) as this stops the generic production. Then they sue on the chemical compound. Same results, just a stall tactic for another year or two. Then the coating and then new use. If done right this process can extend the patent for 10 years.

legion 09-22-2015 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 8805303)
and this is why pure capitalism has no place in modern society.

You too, clearly, have no idea what capitalism is. Capitalism is many small producers (individuals or companies) making large volumes of products that are indistinguishable from producer to producer. This means the producer with the lowest price gets the most sales and the producer with the most efficient method of production has the highest profit.

Monopoly, oligopoly, marketing, branding, and specialty products are all methods for producers to break capitalism. Regulation and control are methods for government to break capitalism as they restrict new entrants from a marketplace and inflate the costs of production.

The media thinks capitalism is the same as corporatism. They are not. Corporations can engage in capitalism, or they can try to subvert it using the techniques I've mentioned above.

Christien 09-22-2015 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 8805303)
and this is why pure capitalism has no place in modern society.

I don't agree with that, but I would definitely say that capitalism has no place in health care, period. Saving lives and improving health should never take the bottom line into consideration.

berettafan 09-22-2015 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by legion (Post 8805318)
Incorrect. The goal of various participants in capitalism may be monopoly. The goal of capitalism is economic efficiency. :rolleyes:

semantics. capitalism itself doesn't really have a goal if you want to put it that way.

but for darn sure the desire of those who participate is monopoly.

berettafan 09-22-2015 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by legion (Post 8805336)
You too, clearly, have no idea what capitalism is. Capitalism is many small producers (individuals or companies) making large volumes of products that are indistinguishable from producer to producer.

that is pie in the sky nonsense.

Norm K 09-22-2015 10:41 AM

If the the Hindis and Buddhists are right ...

RANDY P 09-22-2015 10:41 AM

if he's getting $750 for that now, it's good incentive for someone to come in and produce it for less-

that's capitalism.

With that said, that pompous **** needs to be hung from a lightpole and I hope he gets run over by a bus or killed by a mob and his head placed on display on Wall St- as a warning.

rjp

legion 09-22-2015 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RANDY P (Post 8805357)
if he's getting $750 for that now, it's good incentive for someone to come in and produce it for less-

that's capitalism.

Correct, but a barrier to the market, like a really long-lived patent, onerous government requirements, or harassing litigation are efforts to defeat capitalism.

scottmandue 09-22-2015 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Christien (Post 8805342)
I don't agree with that, but I would definitely say that capitalism has no place in health care, period. Saving lives and improving health should never take the bottom line into consideration.

This times ten thousand.

968rz 09-22-2015 11:27 AM

capitalism capitalschmism, the guy is a duche to profit that much from sick people; the research cost was long ago recooped.

aschen 09-22-2015 11:37 AM

The world isn't a black and white place, and he is probably a little bit of each.


I am mostly a free market enthusiast, but I do not believe it is a good market for health care. People have no reservation price for their lives and have no clarity on pricing nor the ability to shop competitively.

aschen 09-22-2015 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 968rz (Post 8805430)
capitalism capitalschmism, the guy is a duche to profit that much from sick people; the research cost was long ago recooped.

how is he supposed to fund research for the next drug, or why would he even want to bother?


Just playing devils advocate a bit

Christien 09-22-2015 11:50 AM

Research is the realm of universities.

aschen 09-22-2015 11:55 AM

funded by government / taxes?

tabs 09-22-2015 12:06 PM

Why should anybody care about your life? In a Darwinian world it is survival of the fittest and those that can't should fall by the wayside. Why should a society care about the halt, the lame, the stupid and worse Pelican members and their sensibilities.

BE911SC 09-22-2015 12:53 PM

"The money's in the medicine." --Chris Rock

gacook 09-22-2015 01:50 PM

D'bag due to the nature of the product; captialist by way of making profit by selling something at the height of what the market will bear. The goal of any company selling a product is to make as great a profit margin as they can. This guy did that, and my right brain applauds him. My bleeding heart hates him because it's a medication that he's selling, and many people likely won't be able to afford it at that price point, which very likely could cause/hasten their demise.

DanielDudley 09-22-2015 03:22 PM

If you check this guy out, you will find him to be a career scumbag. And I don't mean stealing lunch from the free samples at the grocery store.

wdfifteen 09-22-2015 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by legion (Post 8805336)
You too, clearly, have no idea what capitalism is. Capitalism is many small producers (individuals or companies) making large volumes of products that are indistinguishable from producer to producer. This means the producer with the lowest price gets the most sales and the producer with the most efficient method of production has the highest profit.

And the one with the highest profit buys out or runs out of business all of his competitors until he is the only one left. Then he can do what the douchenozzle in the OP did. Monopoly is the ultimate goal of capitalism. You are right about efficiency, competitors make the goal of profit inefficient, so they must be eliminated.


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