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FLYGEEZER 09-24-2015 06:48 AM

Do ya think this will expose the diesel Cayanne to be included in this mess? Everybody at the Porsche dealership is very "mum" as to what happens next.

bobrestore 09-24-2015 07:04 AM

Why Worry???
 
If you notice how fast the top guys are resigning, the reason being that they hope to stop what may/could happen. The company may be out of compliance with the securities exchange commission. The worst case is that the stock could be delisted from exchanges. My fear is that this kind of capital loss could drive Porsche into bankruptcy...

Daves911L 09-24-2015 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NY65912 (Post 8807973)
What VW did was wrong, it broke the law. But, how many here have had a performance chip installed or a reflash of their ECU done? Or, how about trying to get one of our P cars to pass state emissions testing, empty cat etc.

What is really ingenious is the way that they (VW) were able to pull this off. They had software that detected steering and pedal movement. When the lack of movement in the steering or pedals was detected the car knew that it was being tested for nitrogen-oxide emissions. The car then automatically switched on the "clean map". Otherwise the car reverted to the "un-clean" setting. Pretty smart. Just sayin.

Agree with the above. A great many p-car owners have been willfully cheating emissions standards since the '70's, and generally patting ourselves on the back and thinking how clever we were to outsmart the gubmint.

Perhaps the VW strategy is truly the best of both worlds. If what you say above is true about pedals and steering, the car might switch to "clean map" sitting in traffic, which is exactly where you want it to be clean as a whistle, you don't care about drivability, and you are burning very little fuel. If it can switch to "un-clean" once you get moving again, you are back to greater power and fuel economy, which may cause a specific contaminant to rise, but comes with offsetting benefits in terms of burning a smaller overall quantity of fuel, and for a shorter period of time. But common sense and EPA regs have never gone hand-in-hand.

1990C4S 09-24-2015 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Daves911L (Post 8808461)
If what you say above is true about pedals and steering, the car might switch to "clean map" sitting in traffic, which is exactly where you want it to be clean as a whistle, you don't care about drivability,

From what I have read this is not the case...there were other variables, including the pre-defined speeds in the EPA test, and the atmospheric pressure of a controlled environment.

fred cook 09-24-2015 01:18 PM

VW Diesel
 
Don't own one at the moment, but if I did, I would high 5 VW for pulling one over on the EPA for so many years! And, if I owned one, I would not have the system software updated! Doing so will undoubtedly make the car slower and less efficient than it is now. I'm just sorry that they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar!

Holger 09-25-2015 02:07 AM

My head is spinning ...

The defective ignition locks at GM resulted in 174 dead and was punished by a fine of 900 million US dollars. At Volkswagen we are now talking about 18 billion US dollars penalty for faked emissions (not defective airbags, not defective brakes, ...).


What a coincidence that VW launched the new Passat the same day. And what a coincidence that at the same time VW faces a process in Brazil for cooperating with the dictator IN 1964-1985! :rolleyes:

NY65912 09-25-2015 04:19 AM

From Reuters

Factbox: Diesel engines and how VW's 'defeat device' worked | Reuters

"VW'S DEFEAT DEVICE - The software switched on when the automobiles were being tested for compliance with EPA standards, turning off during normal driving to allow maximum engine performance. The algorithm used information about how the car was being steered, how long the engine ran and atmospheric pressure to "precisely track" the conditions that corresponded to a federal emissions test, according to the EPA."

legion 09-25-2015 06:52 AM

It's not like the EPA causes environmental disasters, covers them up, or wastes taxpayers money...

Golden Hammer: EPA's fondness for high-end furniture costs taxpayers $92 million - Washington Times

KNS 09-25-2015 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by cvmjk (Post 8809568)
I think TDI owners fall into two camps: One wants a fun to drive car that gets fantastic gas mileage. The other wants a "Green" car that is also fun to drive and a Tesla won't cut it for them. Then you've got some owners who are a mixture of both.http://webhostinglo.com/image/images/23.gif http://webhostinglo.com/image/images/24.gif

Gee, sounds like my words exactly (from my post on the first page of this thread)

nzporsche944s2 09-25-2015 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by KNS (Post 8809823)
Gee, sounds like my words exactly (from my post on the first page of this thread)

Imitation is one of the sincerest forms of flattery ;)

However....plagiarism without referencing the source is just wrong :(

911SauCy 09-25-2015 11:55 AM

No.


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