Originally Posted by 1990C4S (Post 8876474)

Lots of negative Subzero reviews out there.

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 8876477)

So appliance manufactures don't make money from out of warranty repairs? Appliance parts don't get marked up? Designed obsolescence doesn't exist? Because most don't break within the meager 6-12 mo warranty period. When the ice maker agitator motor broke on my 2-ish year old Kenmore, the cost for overall assembly from Sears was about $250. I took apart the assembly, found a part number on just the motor, found the generic motor on the internet, and fixed it myself for about $60. So that part wasn't being marked up from Sears? The total assembly, by the way, was the motor and agitator arm. I installed the arm on the motor and saved about $200.

I'm not expecting an appliance that never fails. But I am expecting one that lasts a reasonable amount of time, commensurate with the timeframe that appliances were able to last 30 years ago.

As for your "innovative" ideas, do you really believe that you can detect every way in which your dishwasher will leak? Or add these various monitoring systems without impacting reliability? The only thing worse than a leaking dishwasher is one that is supposed to detect the leak, but doesn't. Or a freezer that will detect a failure detecting a failure when there isn't one. Your industry cannot design a reliable ice maker for God's sake. You are adding systems on top of your unreliable systems, why not fix the unreliable system that are at the root of the problem?

Originally Posted by Nickshu (Post 8875620)

The Kenmore Elite we have has "LG" all over the back of it. The replacement water filters are LG too, or you can buy the same ones from Kenmore (repackaged w/ the Kenmore name) for $20 more.

Originally Posted by Grimm (Post 8876736)

ha ha, that's exactly my point (I made earlier) about on-line reviews. You're referring to a Sub-Zero 695. I think that was discontinued over 8 years ago, and could have been made as long at 15 or more years ago. So here you have someone *****in about it all these years later, and readers like you are probably thinking this is about a current product.

Originally Posted by motion (Post 8875557)

I'm curious about the french door models that some of you seem to like. Isn't it a pain bending down and digging thru the huge compartments nearly at floor level for stuff? Seems like a full length left door freezer would be much more convenient.

Its just the 2 of us, so we really don't need anything very large. This one is on the short list:

Originally Posted by motion (Post 8876320)

My main issue with the bottom freezer is that the top fridge is now 2 doors. I don't think I like that... how do you know which door to open, left or right?

Originally Posted by javadog (Post 8877134)

So, boy genius...

How about parking the bull**** for a minute and giving Motion a recommendation for a specific product he should buy. Not a brand, not a range of models, which refrigerator? Then, tell him why. Don't limit your argument to features; give him some concrete data on why your choice will last a good long time and not turn out to be an expensive, shiny turd.

JR

Originally Posted by billybek (Post 8877188)

The bottom freezer idea is a little flawed.
The compressor and condenser is at the bottom next to the freezer. That makes the place that we want the coldest next to the place that is the hottest.....
The other thing on some of the more complicated door arrangements on some current refrigerators is the length of the seal. Each linear foot of seal is responsible for some leakage of air in or out. These may become more of an issue as the fridge ages.
I do kind of like some of the French double upper door arrangements as they reduce the door swing distance outward and are better in a limited space.

Originally Posted by javadog (Post 8877198)

On the other hand, having the freezer section in a drawer limits the amount of cold air lost when you open it. The more often you get into the freezer, the better this arrangement looks.
JR