1981 Alfa Spider Veloce flywheel torque

[Bob Kontak]

Having trouble locating a repair manual for this car.

I need to know flywheel and pressure plate bolt torque.

There was red loctite on the flywheel bolts. I suspect they should be installed dry.

If someone has a repair manual I would love to buy or rent it.

I see a few advertisements for the CD repair manuals but those seldom get good reviews.

[Nickshu]

If you can't find it just use a standard torque for the bolt size/thread pitch.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by Nickshu

If you can't find it just use a standard torque for the bolt size/thread pitch.

I have never searched on that data. Will do. Thanks.

[DanielDudley]

Try these guys. They seem to know a bit about it.

flywheel bolts - Alfa Romeo Bulletin Board & Forums

[Shifter]

Flywheel is 82 lbs with oil. Use red loctite.

Clutch plate bolts, 18 lbs dry.

http://www.centerlinealfa.com/shop/centerlinealfa.com/files/1332218268_torque_chart.pdf

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by DanielDudley

Try these guys. They seem to know a bit about it.

flywheel bolts - Alfa Romeo Bulletin Board & Forums

Thank you.

I am embarrassed as I have been searching on "Repair Manual" rather than on the subject of torque. I get a C minus in lateral thinking today.

Interesting that the bolts do require red loctite and there is a range from 89 to just over 100 ft lbs for the application. Also issues with not cleaning out old loctite mentioned in that thread.

Gracias!

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by Shifter

Flywheel is 82 lbs with oil. Use red loctite.

Clutch plate bolts, 18 lbs dry.

http://www.centerlinealfa.com/shop/centerlinealfa.com/files/1332218268_torque_chart.pdf

Thank you.

I need to confirm dates on the 105/115 series as I don't know enough about Alfa's to be sure. Getting close.

Edit: From WIKI: The Alfa Romeo Spider (105/115 series) is a roadster produced by the Italian manufacturer Alfa Romeo from 1966 to 1993—with small run of 1994 models for the North American market.[3]

Thanks again to both of you.

[Shifter]

If you are going to replace the guibo, the rubber flex disc, do not remove the band before you install it.
If you are reusing your old one, compress it with hose clamps for the install. It will make sense when you do it. Really no fun otherwise.

Wes Ingram for everything spica.

[sc_rufctr]

If you took it to "Tony" he wouldn't use a torque wrench on these bolts but instead tighten to "tight" and then a little bit more.

(FIAT = Fix It Again Tony)

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

I need to confirm dates on the 105/115 series as I don't know enough about Alfa's to be sure. Getting close.

Edit: From WIKI: The Alfa Romeo Spider (105/115 series) is a roadster produced by the Italian manufacturer Alfa Romeo from 1966 to 1993—with small run of 1994 models for the North American market.[3]

Thanks again to both of you.

Pieholio, I had no idea you were an Alfa guy. I had two Spiders, and would love to have a third. But after the kids are out of the house, LOL. Hey, SPICA injection issues are fun.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by SilberUrS6

Pieholio, I had no idea you were an Alfa guy. I had two Spiders, and would love to have a third. But after the kids are out of the house, LOL. Hey, SPICA injection issues are fun.

This is a pal's car. He has an eclectic grouping of cars. 78 Lotus S2, 1976 260ZX, Datsun 2000 Roadster, 77 XJ12L, 2000 Honda Element and a Tesla S.

Met him in 75 when we were both machinists in the same shop. He had the Z car and I had the Opel GT. Fast forward after forty years of beer drinking and car BS, still best friends and I do all of his wrench work (save the electric cars).

Regarding SPICA, I see it and I am afraid. It works now, though. I have done a little due diligence research and that atmospheric copper tube thingie surely must be played out by now. Wes Ingram, found him. Thanks Shifter for that info.

Mildly off topic, I do see where the wiring harness and plug feeding the Marelli looks like a dog's breakfast.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by Shifter

If you are going to replace the guibo, the rubber flex disc, do not remove the band before you install it.
If you are reusing your old one, compress it with hose clamps for the install. It will make sense when you do it. Really no fun otherwise.

Wes Ingram for everything spica.

If the guibo is original ('81) is it toast? I did not sense slop but that can be meaningless with rubber.

[Shifter]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

If the guibo is original ('81) is it toast? I did not sense slop but that can be meaningless with rubber.

You have to call that on your own. Usually they start showing cracks before they fail, but most of the time nobody looks at them. Fairly cheap to replace now, especially if you didn't compress it before you took it off. One of those "While your in there" things.

https://www.centerlinealfa.com/discounted-rebuild-packages/923

If the TA has failed, the idle on the car won't drop when it reaches operating temp, about 185.
And loss of fuel pressure will kill the Spica pump like nothing else. Being an 81, if you have to do anything to the fuel system, just replace it with dual carbs. 80 and 81 are the really odd ducks in the Spica world.

And you really should be posting pictures of the cars....

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by Shifter

And you really should be posting pictures of the cars....

Sweet car. I am going to Penna on Monday. I will get pics then.

This is all I have now, from July.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by Shifter

You have to call that on your own. Usually they start showing cracks before they fail, but most of the time nobody looks at them. Fairly cheap to replace now, especially if you didn't compress it before you took it off. One of those "While your in there" things.

https://www.centerlinealfa.com/discounted-rebuild-packages/923

Thanks for this link, Shifter. My pal wants to pull the trigger. I mentioned the guibo to him and he was all for it, given the car's age.

We spent Monday morning with brass gun bore brushes and acetone getting the old thread locker out. Flywheel on. New red in the threads. Hand twisted the six bolts in a quarter inch. Went to get the 17MM socket to get them bottomed to start the torquing sequence. The Locktite set in the 60 seconds I was away.

Wrenched them out and we get to do it again. On the upside, the parts store refunded the money for the stale Loctite. Argh. At least we are both old so we knew it was time to step away.

Here is another pic of his garage. The car is a bit compromised for a solo shot.

Jag, 260Z, Lotus Esprit, Alfa, Datsun 2000 Roadster, 2000 Honda Element (the green thing way in the background)