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Power supplies are quite often the culprit, particularly for "random" crashes. Electrolytic caps have the highest failure rate by far of any component used in the typical PC (other than the crap Microsoft calls an OS). Given the motherboard has been replaced recently, the power supply itself would be next on my list.

Gary

power supply was a new unit when the m/b and p/s were put in about 6 months ago

went from the stock 240w to a 500w unit at that time
only new demand on power was a single GTX550ti video card other then the m/b

only new crash after last post was when I tryed to play solitary card game

currently up for the last 24 hours

tryed a couple stress tests on memory, cpu, and GFX card
all passed ok

guess the original problem was software not hardware
but no idea what exactly was wrong

kind of surprised there are no freeware program to solve the
''why is my box crashing'' problem for non-geeks

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Originally Posted by nota (Post 9020504)

kind of surprised there are no freeware program to solve the
''why is my box crashing'' problem for non-geeks

Because due to the nearly infinite combinations of components and software that's pretty much ****ing impossible.

Also, if someone could write that bit of code they'd be an idiot to release it as freeware.

It would be worth a fortune.

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Originally Posted by BlueSkyJaunte (Post 9020617)

Pebkac.

as maybe

but I fixed it myself

and for free

I do not expect a simple cure all program to fix everything

but do think microsoft windoz should have a much better simple error report
and not just say ''unexpected shut down''
or some number error code that has no real clue what is happening

so no I do not expect the error report to say 4231st cap in the XYX board is bad
but if hardware id that the M/B is going bad or the power supply volts are out of spec
nor that the report will be able to tell me exactly what software conflict that is the problem

so how about a simple the ''unexpected shut down'' was do to a hardware flaw
or if software say that
with out going into massive detail on the problem ?
or just a KISS trouble report but better then the MS no clue reports

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Originally Posted by nota (Post 9020634)

You are asking for a simple explanation to what is almost never a single point of failure problem.

Sometimes software causes hardware to fault and sometimes hardware causes software to fault.

Sometimes one piece of software causes a second piece of software to cause hardware to fault.

Without knowing what caused what to fault the knowledge that it was a ______ fault is useless.