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daepp 03-17-2016 02:40 PM

Corvette on "automatic contro" - WTH???
 
Woman pinned under Corvette after automatic starter misfires | New York Post

“Maybe [the parking attendants] didn’t put the emergency brakes on,” he speculated. “[The attendants] had it on auto control.”

When I saw the headline I assumed it was a manual trans and someone had installed a remote starter. After reading the story, I have no idea what happened.

cashflyer 03-17-2016 03:17 PM

Manual trans.
Parking attendant parked it, left it in gear.
Guy accidentally hits the remote start on his keyfob.
Carnage.
Cars with remote start are a menace and must be regulated.

A930Rocket 03-17-2016 05:40 PM

A remote start in a manual car is an accident waiting to happen as witnessed in the article.

Mr Cool Corvette Guy is in hot water. Don't blame the parking attendants.

Dan J 03-17-2016 05:45 PM

I'm pretty sure you have to depress the clutch to start any newish manual trans car

masraum 03-17-2016 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cashflyer (Post 9041706)
Manual trans.
Parking attendant parked it, left it in gear.
Guy accidentally hits the remote start on his keyfob.
Carnage.
Cars with remote start are a menace and must be regulated.

Was this supposed to be in green?
Quote:

Originally Posted by A930Rocket (Post 9041917)
A remote start in a manual car is an accident waiting to happen as witnessed in the article.

Mr Cool Corvette Guy is in hot water. Don't blame the parking attendants.

The only way that I can see this having happened is if it was installed by a hack, either the owner or a crappy shop.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan J (Post 9041927)
I'm pretty sure you have to depress the clutch to start any newish manual trans car

Exactly, I'm pretty sure that if remote start is available in any car with a manual trans (or automatic for that matter) the car MUST be in neutral (Neutral or Park for automatics).

rwest 03-18-2016 01:02 AM

I don't think an auto start can be "safely" put in a manual. Key difference is that the brake has to be applied in an auto before you can move from neutral- not the case in a manual. you have to push the clutch in on many/most to start, but the auto starter would bypass that to make the car start. Be very surprised if any auto maker offers auto start on a manual, anyone know of one?

masraum 03-18-2016 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwest (Post 9042193)
I don't think an auto start can be "safely" put in a manual. Key difference is that the brake has to be applied in an auto before you can move from neutral- not the case in a manual. you have to push the clutch in on many/most to start, but the auto starter would bypass that to make the car start. Be very surprised if any auto maker offers auto start on a manual, anyone know of one?

Exactly. If there was an auto start, it was aftermarket installed.

86 ssinit 03-18-2016 05:17 AM

I have an after market remote start in my manual WRX. For it to work the car must be in neutral em brake on. Subaru does have a remote start in there premium model. I believe there is a relay that bypasses the clutch and starts the car. To drive it you have to depress the clutch and insert and turn the key. Nothing better than a remote start in the winter.

widebody911 03-18-2016 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cashflyer (Post 9041706)
Manual trans.
Parking attendant parked it, left it in gear.
Guy accidentally hits the remote start on his keyfob.
Carnage.
Cars with remote start are a menace and must be regulated.

Won't someone think of the children?

Dansvan 03-18-2016 09:12 AM

Most properly installed autostarts on manual cars have a safety feature. With car running you put e brake on, push the start button, exit the vehicle. When the door shuts the engine turns off. If nothing interrupts the cycle before the next autostart request the engine is allowed to start. If the door is opened before the next request it cancels the ability to start. Someone took short cuts on the install in this case.

Otter74 03-18-2016 09:13 AM

This was a badly installed aftermarket system. I am familiar enough with the validation work that OEM systems go through to say this with certainty. I am not sure the parking attendants would ultimately have legal culpability - that would probably go to the owner and/or installer in some measure.

motion 03-18-2016 09:37 AM

LOL, its probably been, what, 30 years since you could start a car in gear without depressing the clutch?

wayner 03-18-2016 09:41 AM

If a guy has a car that requires any art of special procedure to work or be safe, why ever leave it in the hands of a parking attendant?

On my 911 I replaced the hood shocks with a latching telescopic prop rod.
In line at a DE event tech line, I always have to warn them not to close the hood and I have to get out and unclick the latch so they don't bend by hood by accident.

Fortunately not as a bad an outcome as running someone over, but none the less, I'm going back to disposable factory hood shocks because I now know that I can't leave this in the hands of someone else.

id10t 03-18-2016 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wayner (Post 9042714)
On my 911 I replaced the hood shocks with a latching telescopic prop rod.
In line at a DE event tech line, I always have to warn them not to close the hood and I have to get out and unclick the latch so they don't bend by hood by accident.

Same with the 356. Quite a few cars ended up with bent hoods thanks to unknowing gas station attendants, etc. over the years.

masraum 03-18-2016 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motion (Post 9042708)
LOL, its probably been, what, 30 years since you could start a car in gear without depressing the clutch?

unless you bypass the clutch safety switch.

Jay Auskin 03-20-2016 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motion (Post 9042708)
LOL, its probably been, what, 30 years since you could start a car in gear without depressing the clutch?

My 2001 Saab 9-3 could start in gear without depressing clutch. Nothing aftermarket on the car. Also, can't remove the key w/o having it in reverse, so it was always in gear when you got in the car.

Of course, the car didn't have a remote start because of this.

petrolhead611 03-21-2016 04:46 AM

My 2007 Focus diesel manual will start in gear, aas will my 2003 Renault Clio manual.
My wifes Smart ForFour automated manual transmission will only start after depressing the parking brake at which point the car automatically shifts into neutral.

rwest 03-21-2016 12:48 PM

Won't most manuals start in gear? You have to put the clutch pedal down, but I can't think many if any actually know what gear the shifter is in, or am I out of touch with the newer fancy manuals?

motion 03-21-2016 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petrolhead611 (Post 9046346)
My 2007 Focus diesel manual will start in gear, aas will my 2003 Renault Clio manual.

Really??? If its in first gear and you turn the starter motor over, will both cars lurch forward?

rwest 03-21-2016 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motion (Post 9047245)
Really??? If its in first gear and you turn the starter motor over, will both cars lurch forward?

Motion,

When my pedal cluster roll pin sheared on my 911, I started it in 1st gear. I think the clutch pedal interlock is a fairly recent safety feature.


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