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red-beard 03-08-2017 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by nota (Post 9502494)
how much power is used in the VSD to convert 220v 1 phase
into 3 phase power ?
I assume the VS pump runs on 3 phase and speed is controlled by frequency
rather then a two/three speed motor windings that stay at 60Hz
without variable frequency like a common multi-speed fan

Typically the VFD will be better than 92% efficient. The speed can be set to virtually any speed in its range, but most of the controls have specific steps. This is not a 2 speed pump using different windings.

The issue is that with centrifugal pumps, the power goes up with the square of the speed while the flow goes up in proportion to the speed. The flow will reduce some if the discharge pressure goes up with the higher flow, but it is small compared to the parabolic increase in the pump.

9dreizig 03-08-2017 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by billybek (Post 9211655)
When working for a large manufacturer of centrifugal water chillers there were problems with the rotor discharging a stored electrical charge through the steel ball bearings to the bearing race on the back end of the motor on VFD machines. Eventually the bearings would degrade and start to rumble.

The fix was to remove the defective bearings at the back end and install ceramic bearing sets. Also the back bearing cover plate was re designed to allow the installation of a grounding brush on the end of the motor shaft. Was kind of crude but it worked.

Most motors that are installed for VSD/VFD are designed for the purpose. Not that it prevents all failures.

Not an issue at 1 HP,, at 300 hp yes... Most of the issues discussed here were fixed in the late 80's. Same with electrical noise if good grounding practices are followed not an issue.

SpyderMike 03-08-2017 02:35 PM

I am correcting an issue from the install of my Pentair variable speed pump. The pool guy removed the timer that used to run the single speed pump and the salt water chlorinator system. He then hooked both up to constant power. The SWC is only supposed to be operated when water is flowing through the cell...not 24 hours a day. He asked his pool guy "group" at a meeting and they all agreed that it shouldn't harm the SWC despite the fact the install manual says it about 6 different times. I got with the SWC manufacturer tech support and they said no way, it will damage the cell. The cells are not cheap.

If you all have a SWC and they change to a variable speed pump you might want to make sure the SWC is properly installed after the change.


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