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Shaun @ Tru6 07-28-2016 02:55 PM

Need to buy or build a vacuum system
 
I've brought polishing in-house. Prepping the various buffing wheels and keeping them clean and soft creates something of a snowstorm.

Does anyone know anything about vacuum systems? I need something very powerful to suck this fluff up as it comes off the wheel. I can use home hot air ducting right under it but what do I use for sucking? Does a fan that blows 300 cfm also suck 300 CFM?

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look 171 07-28-2016 03:20 PM

My father has these jewelry polisher that uses basic off the shelf HVAC filters. Build a metal box with a slot for the filter. You just need to build a larger one. Pretty simple to do. See the HVAC filters behine the metal grills. Not our but we had something similar. Jewelers Polishing Dust Collector | eBay

look 171 07-28-2016 03:21 PM

A more powerful squirrel cage may work better for more powerful suction.

NY65912 07-28-2016 03:26 PM

How about a centrifugal woodworking vacuum? No filter, the stuff falls into the bag. I had one when I did furniture making. I used 4" PVC piping with reducers and hoses. I also and ran a copper wire around the PVC to ground the pipe from static build up. Check out Rocker woodworking for ideas.

cashflyer 07-28-2016 03:30 PM

Use a vacuum system like they use in a wood shop. It collects everything from very fine to coarse sawdust, so I think it would collect your stuff too. And it does not use that type filter (in your photo).

edit: well, Mike beat me to it.

look 171 07-28-2016 03:51 PM

I have a woodworking vacuum in my wood shop. I think what Shaun has coming off the polisher is too light and will fly all over the place. Much too light to separate. The wheel comes off like lint.

sammyg2 07-28-2016 04:15 PM

Centrifuges only work when the density of the solid is significantly heavier than the medium it is in (air).

Gonna hafta filter. BTW, water is a very efficient and CHEEEEEP filter media.

Get a good sized blower, hook up the suction to a 55 gallon drum half full of water, then run another duct from the drum to the work space. One of em will have to go below the water line

Think giant BONG!
The dust and lint and crap will get suspended in the water, which will hafta be replaced periodically. Just don't drink the BONG water ;)

wdfifteen 07-28-2016 04:58 PM

I built a vacuum system for woodworking from a junk clothes dryer fan. It would work great for your application. Motor and fan housing were free, just needed a little wiring.

Shaun @ Tru6 07-28-2016 05:15 PM

Thank you Gentleman, good thoughts. On collection, Jeff is correct, this is the softest, lightest lint you can imagine.

I think Sammy has a good idea on a water-based drum filter. The pic above is of a shop vac that I use to vacuum it all up. It does not work at all with collection, half from low cfm and half from a tiny collection port.

Patrick, I looked it up and a dryer is about 120+ cfm, I wonder if that's enough. I was thinking 3-4 times that like a range hood. The wheel spins at 3450 rpm and the cotton just flies everywhere when raked.

I'll see what I can find and try to put together this weekend.

Eric Coffey 07-28-2016 06:35 PM

In addition to a vacuum, I think a decent hood/shroud would make your life easier as well. ;)

Charles Freeborn 07-28-2016 07:21 PM

Yes, a dust collector from a woodworking supplier. If you've got a woodcraft supply in your town, that's a good place to start. Otherwise there are lots of online sources.

billybek 07-29-2016 03:49 AM

One on Craigs near you.
DUST COLLECTOR INDUSTRIAL CYCLONE UNIT. A MUST SEE

MBAtarga 07-29-2016 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billybek (Post 9218573)

I think that is the cyclone only- no blower/fan unit included. That would be connected to it downstream, so that the collected dust/fibers would hopefully drop in the cyclone to a trashcan/bin placed underneath. I'm not sure how efficient a system would be to capture the fine dust/fibers that Shaun shows in his picture. I know they work well with sawdust, as I've got one in my wood shop.

targa911S 07-29-2016 04:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 9218088)
Centrifuges only work when the density of the solid is significantly heavier than the medium it is in (air).

Gonna hafta filter. BTW, water is a very efficient and CHEEEEEP filter media.

Get a good sized blower, hook up the suction to a 55 gallon drum half full of water, then run another duct from the drum to the work space. One of em will have to go below the water line

Think giant BONG!
The dust and lint and crap will get suspended in the water, which will hafta be replaced periodically. Just don't drink the BONG water ;)

Now that's right there is some funny stuff..

cashflyer 07-29-2016 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 9218162)
I think Sammy has a good idea on a water-based drum filter.

Screw that! I think Sammy has a good idea for a giant bong!!
Now if I can just get a hefty bag full of weed......

Pazuzu 07-29-2016 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 9217986)
I've brought polishing in-house

You know, this is headed towards it's inevitable conclusion...


You will bring polishing and plating to MY house! :D

Shawn's Mobile Polishing and Plating Service (not available in all states)

The 928 can tow an enclosed work trailer with your equipment inside!

908/930 07-29-2016 08:33 AM

Can you exhaust to a filter out of the building? A good blower like a Atmosphere VTX600 would move a lot of air, I would be cautious about a large drum for collecting the dust only for fire hazard or dust explosion, If it goes through the water first that should solve the problem. I remember having lots of static arcs when polishing items.

Possibly check some surplus stores in your area for used blowers.

Shaun @ Tru6 07-29-2016 04:51 PM

I could but I have neighbors behind the building and I think they would complain if they found all this fleece in their yards. I don't understand how a 4500 sqft footprint 2 story building can be tucked into a residential area.

Shaun @ Tru6 07-29-2016 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 9218782)
You know, this is headed towards it's inevitable conclusion...


You will bring polishing and plating to MY house! :D

Shawn's Mobile Polishing and Plating Service (not available in all states)

The 928 can tow an enclosed work trailer with your equipment inside!

Home Depot made thee box-in-box TV boxes specifically to ship 911 window frames. :D Forget the 928. I was all excited a few weeks ago, have heard nothing from the shop after giving them specs for oversize boring out the bad cylinder. :(

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