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john70t 09-27-2016 06:48 AM

Windows update is slow
 
I like my privacy and don't google/fb/twitter etc. Microsoft was one of the good guys...before 10.

Then found this:
Windows 7, 8, and 10: Now all collecting user data for Microsoft | InfoWorld
One of the updates, KB 3068708 (for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry) is tagged as mandatory, while the other two -- KB 3075249 (which adds telemetry points to consent.exe in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7) and KB 3080149 (intended for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry) -- are considered optional. The mandatory update superseded a nonsecurity update (KB 3022345) released back in April, which created the Diagnostics and Telemetry Tracking service.

I deleted these 'customer experience updates'.
(No thank you, I didn't sign up for any advertisement tracking lists.)

I also unchecked the 'Allow MS to provide other product recommendations' box.
It warned me 'Are you sure? Updates will be unavailable!'
Losing "Updates" seems to be an ambiguous term...
I proceeded.
Windows Update disappeared altogether.

Then Win7 Update popped up a few days later.
My laptop battery life went from five hours to less than one.

Ok fine. Go ahead and update then.

For several hours the MS server seems to be asleep. No movement.
It just likes to run in the background.

Hawkeye's-911T 09-27-2016 09:02 AM

Add me to that list of folks starting to develop a dislike for 10.

Cheers
JB

masraum 09-27-2016 03:21 PM

It's unfortunate, there are host names hard coded into the updates for the phone home section. Many network devices will filter based on IP, but not URL, and these things are heavily load balanced, so you can't reasonably filter based on IP.

This site has some interesting tidbits about disabling what you can disable. I apparently, had already done some of this just by poking around and turning things off.

How to stop Microsoft from gathering telemetry data from Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 - Super User

This is supposedly a good list of stuff to block from the link above.

Quote:

134.170.30.202
137.116.81.24
204.79.197.200
23.218.212.69
65.39.117.230
65.55.108.23
a-0001.a-msedge.net
choice.microsoft.com
choice.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
compatexchange.cloudapp.net
corp.sts.microsoft.com
corpext.msitadfs.glbdns2.microsoft.com
cs1.wpc.v0cdn.net
df.telemetry.microsoft.com
diagnostics.support.microsoft.com
fe2.update.microsoft.com.akadns.net
feedback.microsoft-hohm.com
feedback.search.microsoft.com
feedback.windows.com
i1.services.social.microsoft.com
i1.services.social.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
pre.footprintpredict.com
redir.metaservices.microsoft.com
reports.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
services.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
settings-sandbox.data.microsoft.com
sls.update.microsoft.com.akadns.net
sqm.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
sqm.telemetry.microsoft.com
sqm.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
statsfe1.ws.microsoft.com
statsfe2.update.microsoft.com.akadns.net
statsfe2.ws.microsoft.com
survey.watson.microsoft.com
telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com
telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
telemetry.appex.bing.net
telemetry.appex.bing.net:443
telemetry.microsoft.com
telemetry.urs.microsoft.com
vortex.data.microsoft.com
vortex-sandbox.data.microsoft.com
vortex-win.data.microsoft.com
watson.live.com
watson.microsoft.com
watson.ppe.telemetry.microsoft.com
watson.telemetry.microsoft.com
watson.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com

john70t 09-27-2016 04:56 PM

Thanks masraum, what more I was looking for.

Yeah you're right. It would be impossible to plug the data sieve completely though, because that's the way it was designed.
I'll use that when I file a class action, pro se, against MS for cyber-stalking.

stealthn 09-27-2016 05:10 PM

Whats really interesting is they are using Watson for analysis according to those links, it's their supercomputing computational analysis engine. Now it would be interesting to see what and how they are crunching as far as data...

dennis in se pa 09-29-2016 05:23 AM

How to Set an Ethernet Connection as Metered in Windows 8 and 10
is supposed to stop automatic updates.
How do people in offices get any work done if when they turn on their computers it automatically updates for an hour?

masraum 09-29-2016 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dennis in se pa (Post 9299284)
How to Set an Ethernet Connection as Metered in Windows 8 and 10
is supposed to stop automatic updates.
How do people in offices get any work done if when they turn on their computers it automatically updates for an hour?

People in offices are usually/often set to only update at a certain time, or to never auto-update, and then they have a group that pushes updates once they have been vetted.

I'm sure it depends upon the office, the size of the office and how it's run. But I would suspect that most don't update that regularly and then only at a certain time determined by the IT folks to not interfere with business/work (unless the IT folks suck, and then they do it in the middle of the day).

id10t 09-29-2016 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 9299869)
People in offices are usually/often set to only update at a certain time, or to never auto-update, and then they have a group that pushes updates once they have been vetted.

I'm sure it depends upon the office, the size of the office and how it's run. But I would suspect that most don't update that regularly and then only at a certain time determined by the IT folks to not interfere with business/work (unless the IT folks suck, and then they do it in the middle of the day).

And there is usually a local Windows update management server as well... ITS vets the updates, then rolls them out.

Eric Coffey 09-29-2016 12:51 PM

FYI in Win10 Pro, there is a "defer upgrades" check box in the Advanced Options section of the Updates folder.

Also, I believe all Win10 versions give you the option/drop-down to get update notifications for install/restart vs. automatic updates.

masraum 09-29-2016 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Coffey (Post 9299920)
FYI in Win10 Pro, there is a "defer upgrades" check box in the Advanced Options section of the Updates folder.

Also, I believe all Win10 versions give you the option/drop-down to get update notifications for install/restart vs. automatic updates.

Hasn't pretty much every version of windows ever made had that option or one that was functionally the same?

I think there's a "don't do crap" option as well as "tell me there's something new, but don't do anything" and then the one that I use, "download stuff, but don't install anything until I tell you" and finally, the horrible option of "yeah, whatever, just do it".

Eric Coffey 09-29-2016 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 9300037)
Hasn't pretty much every version of windows ever made had that option or one that was functionally the same?

I think there's a "don't do crap" option as well as "tell me there's something new, but don't do anything" and then the one that I use, "download stuff, but don't install anything until I tell you" and finally, the horrible option of "yeah, whatever, just do it".

Yeah, that's the problem. It appears you don't have an option to completely opt-out of updates any longer. You can "defer" them in Win10 Pro (does that mean a few weeks/months/years?) but on lesser versions you have no control, other than to choose whether you want auto updates, or to be notified and schedule the install/restart. For the latter, you only have a choice of a few days/times in the same week you got the notification, and you can no longer completely opt-out of updates AFAIK.

On previous versions (Win7, etc.), you could choose to be notified, then see a complete list of all the updates that would be installed, and pick/choose the ones you wanted. You could also pick those that WU would ignore and not download in the future. I get the whole "dumbed down" approach, but you should still have the option when it comes to updates IMO, even if it means clicking through numerous "advanced settings" menus. YMMV...

masraum 09-29-2016 03:09 PM

Wow, screw that. Glad i haven't upgraded from my Win 7 which is working just fine. No reason really, since my plan for the past 2 years has been to go to an iMac when this PC needs an upgrade which doesn't seem like it's imminent no matter how much I would like it to be (excited to upgrade, but not eager to pay the price, that's why I'm waiting).

peppy 10-01-2016 08:18 AM

The windows updates this week have blocked Quickbooks from opening.

I have already ordered a new computer and new Quickbooks. That free windows 10 upgrade sure is expensive.

john70t 10-01-2016 12:23 PM

I'm surprised a billion small-claim lawsuits from businesses haven't popped up because of this debacle.
It's more than accidental.

If the I-Tunes store wasn't such a mess, there would be a huge shift in customers.

flatbutt 10-01-2016 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peppy (Post 9301658)
The windows updates this week have blocked Quickbooks from opening.

I have already ordered a new computer and new Quickbooks. That free windows 10 upgrade sure is expensive.

yeah, I had to buy a new license for Word and Excel when I upgraded.

steve911T 10-01-2016 05:25 PM

Just paid the $200 to backdate to win7. What a truly miserable program. Yes, it did work but to me, I preferred win7. Living out in the boonies, the win 10 required updates up to 15 gigs on some months that would blow out the cap on my Wifi usage. It was so great to reload the printer driver in 5 minutes vs the months it took to load the printer in win 10. Finally found a blog in which the person had the same old printer and detailed the correct way to do it. Steve

John Rogers 10-01-2016 06:28 PM

I would suggest checking three things to see where the slowness might be coming from. First use the Windows Task Manager to see what is running and taking any CPU time. Check for things that are not needed such as Adobe Updater or any other "updater". In the Processes, Services and Startup sections check to see what is running and find out why.

Check your main router, if you have additional hot spots check them also to make sure no one is running a porn site with your machine or your neighbors are sucking your bandwidth down.

Last of all check your disk drives to see if they are full and delete ALL the temp files from everything. You might want to install a solid state drive for the boot drive.

john70t 10-22-2016 09:02 AM

Consumer choice negated...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1477155679.jpg


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