I tracked my 987 at Spa with a plug in it..
came back did 240 on the high way , still with that plug in it.

As long as it's in the flat thread, not in the sidewall.. and installed properly, taking time to bore out the hole.. having a clean puncture to start with...clean install.. those things hold just fine.

that's for re-threads.. never heard of such regulation here about simple plugs
a re-thread is modifying the structure of the tire.. you add something to the overall design..

and you can't do it on the car/wheel either So the speed rating changes

a plug is not that complicated.. it's not a design change.. if anything , it repairs the tire's original function by plugging a hole that shouldn't be there
so I doubt there's regulation about it in Europe.

It seems like the only posts that I see from you these days are negative. And this thread seems like you've gone looking for stuff to be negative about since this thread is years old.

With 44 different countries and 44 different sets of laws I would guess at least one of them has some laws about it. You live there, and I certainly don't so I will defer to your local knowledge. But the odds of 44 different sets of laws NO once mentioning it seem slim. Just my hunch, no facts to back it up.

I do doubt any country can tell if you are driving on a plugged tire unless they inspect each tire closely and that is just not even in the realm of possibility.

if somebody says in Europe, I assume they mean the EU which is the legislation that typically covers the entire zone across the borders of all countries..

That's typical for road and car safety things .. EU driven law, adopted by the individual states.

And sure , somebody could pick stricter legislation , but for such obvious things they wouldn't since it's not enforceable with cars driving across the borders.

Now I could be wrong, and there could be an individual state reg.. but then that's not "europe". That's a specific country.

And if I'm wrong, I'de love to know about it, but if somebody says "in Europe it's banned" it's not up to me to prove him right.
Burden of proof is on the one who make the claim since obviously I cannot prove something doesn't exist .. That's simply impossible.

See post #36.
I plugged a rear tire last night.

Like many here, I have (unfortunately) plugged my share of tires. By default, this is not something we often get to do at home, in the comfort of our garages. Most of the time it's a side of the road adventure. I learned to do this as a motorcyclist, back when we started seeing cast rims and tubeless tires. What a Godsend - no more tire irons and patch kits. So, as a result of learning to do this on motorcycles, it has never even occurred to me to jack up a car and take the wheel off to do it. Like others have said, I just roll the car until the puncture is where I can see it and work on it.

I have to say, the post that revived this years old thread is completely out of line. Effectively calling another man a "liar" over something as innocuous as a tire repair. He simply described how he had done it in the past and how with a plug kit it really isn't all that hard. Why something like that would set you off, Sugarwood, is beyond me. But you do owe him an apology...

Oh, and for the record, I plugged a brand new Yokohama AO48 after it picked up a nail on its first track outing. I ran eight or ten more track days on it, running it right down to the wear bars, without issue.

Why didn't you just stick to this comment rather than adding all the other inflammatory noise? Its odd why that is so important to you.

There are several chances in hell of plugging a tire with a worm plug with the tire on the car. Having the tire on the ground or locked with the brake, if off the ground, is pretty important. However, regardless of angle of attack, your body weight, shoulders minimum, needs to be into the plunge. You wont do it without that.

Plugging with wheel off the car is easiest but still can be hard depending on how the tire is made.

I call BS.

Everything he said is true, and you appear to have become somewhat of a troll.

Um nope... you don’t take the tire off to install a plug. You can (and should) do this with the tire inflated. You find the leak, ream the hole, put the cord on the install tool, put glue on the cord (If applicable), push the tool into the hole and pull it out as quick as possible. Sometimes you need to put in a second cord. You work quickly and get it done without letting all the air out. It should take under 3 minutes.

It is a ***** to do this off the car.

My farm equipment all use tubeless tires. I've plugged tires on the tractor and the RTV with the tires still on. You take the valve stem out after rolling the vehicle so that the hole is reachable. I guess on a car that would be more difficult, and you'd have to lie on the ground, but it is doable. I never plugged a car tire though.

+1.

I’ve probably plugged 100 tires over the past 35 years and I’ve never removed the wheel to do it. Pull the nail/screw out and plug it. Two minutes and I’m in my way.

"Done with the plug before wife is off the phone with road service:

Bull****, b/c who calls road service while the husband is patching the tire?
Did she call back and cancel road service?

Car forums are full of liars and I am happy to call out this behavior (troll, apparently)
I am glad to set an example for others to follow.

The only concession I will make that it may be easier to plug a front tire while on the car.
But, I still call BS on the 60 second repair. You can't even remove a tire in 60 seconds.
And bull**** you're plugging the hole while the tire is mounted.
It also takes about 10 seconds for the tire to go flat after you ream the hole.

If I can, I plug it on the car. Sometimes I can not find the leak, even with soapy water, sometimes I can not remove the nail/screw while on the car. Lately I've gotten lazy, the guy down the street charges $9 and removes the tire from the rim and patches on the inside.

My job allows me to pick up screws/nails get punctures/gashes all the time, but no matter where I am, I'm not far from a tire store, tire shack, or shop.

Probably the most monumental error point out in Pelican board history.

Thank you, Sheriff sugarwood.

I figured out what's going on. In the HS reunion thread, he mentions that he graduated in 1961 and is pushing 80. Now get off his lawn!

OK

I guess at that advanced age you get as mad as hell and you're not going to take it anymore.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1605627279.jpg

Yeah, I think someone forgot to remove the plunger before he dropped a deuce.

We just did my buddies GT3 , for the same reason. Basically new Pilot Sport cups.
Party on Wayne, Party on Garth, you will be fine .
I've never seen a plug , or a tire fail from a repair . Im not saying it never happens, but I have never seen one. Ive plugged lots of tires in my life .
When I was a kid, I worked at a Sears Auto, schlepping tires, and plugging was our method of repair. I did hundreds and hundreds of tire repairs in my time there .
I have stuffed 2 or more plugs in big holes on my own stuff, and usually, if the plug held for the first 5 minutes, it lasted as long as the tire .

I imagine a race tire at 200 plus they don't like you to use a plug, but they have budgets for that anyway.

I've probably only put 15-20 plugs in tires myself over the years, mostly in the comfort of my driveway. I've always used the sticky/gummy plugs with the rope.

The only "failure" that I've ever had was that one started leaking REALLY slowly. I couldn't find the leak and had a guy I knew check it. He spend a bunch of time looking for the leak, and never really "found" the leak, but he replaced the rope plug, and the leak stopped. I'm a bit embarrassed to say that the one time I took my old '88 911 up to redline in 5th gear, I probably had at least one of those style plugs in the rear tires.

I have a lot more confidence in the "patch-plugs" that most tire places use these days.

In my WRX, one of my winter tires had a slow leak last winter. It was a leak at the plug. Since fixing the flat previously, I bought a tire machine.

I removed the tire, pulled out the old plug, and redid it. The tire is fine and didn’t leak down over the summer and is now back on the car and showing no signs of leak... there was no need to remove the tire or take the wheel off the car. I felt dumb when I saw that the plug was the source of my leak. That was however the first time I used my tire machine...

Was I terrified to drive it today at over 75 MPH?

Nope.

Call me crazy, but I would never leave a high performance tire with a plug in it on the car long term. I would use it to get home and maybe until the new tires arrived. We get crazy hot weather here in the summers. I've had a LOT of tires blow out. Probably 6 or so on the 1-ton and 2 on the 911. None yet on the Cayman or Macan....

I've never had a blow-out, ever, and the last 25 years of my driving has been in Houston while the 7 years before that was in FL.

I've had lots of punctures, but I've never had one go from inflated to deflated in seconds or had one fall apart.

I had this on the Cobra. I was a mile from home when it started to vibrate pretty bad at 60mph. Limped home and a few minutes later I had this. Granted, this tire has seen the north side of 150 a few times and it is not rated for near that. Could have been worse, it could have come apart on the off ramp 10 miles earlier.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1605648034.jpg

Just re-posting this for the picture ^^^^....

All these tall tales of heroic roadside tire plugs don't even make any sense.

I just plugged my tire after a few weeks of a slow air leak from a nail. Once I noticed the nail, I then installed a plug, in my garage. In my case, a nail was a slow leak that took several days to even notice.

Who exactly is plugging tires on the side of the highway (in 60 seconds no less) ?

Did your tire go flat? If so, why didn't you just install the spare tire? Or no spare, yet you carry a tire inflator, pliers, and a plug kit?

Or was the tire just low? If so, why not just inflate it and drive home? A nail is a slow leak that does not need to be fixed at the side of a highway.

Because sometimes it is easier to put the plug in on the way home than unload all the luggage to get to the speed limited spare and try to limp home on it the remaining 180 miles.

Just because you can't fathom it doesn't mean it can't be.

Why not? As I'm sure you have noticed, quite a few of us have affected this repair on the side of the road. Many of us more than once. It's a very common procedure.

I've picked up many nails, screws, and other such that rendered a tire flat out on the road. No slow leak or anything wrong with the tire before embarking upon the trip, often verified by checking pressures before I leave.

60 seconds? I'm not sure anyone has made that claim. It's never taken me more than five or ten minutes, though.

No spare tire on a motorcycle. Like I said earlier, that's where I learned to do it.

I don't have anywhere to carry a spare tire in my 911. It has a 100 liter tank, and oil cooler lines cross over from the right to the left cooler right above and behind it. So I carry a plug kit instead.

On other cars, I just don't like the mini spare tire. If it's pluggable, I would rather plug the full sized tire. It's a lot faster and easier than changing to the spare. I would only use the spare if the full size tire could not be plugged, like if it had a big gash in it. It really is that much easier just to plug the one already on the car. Really.

And yes, all of my vehicles are equipped with tool kits, plug kits, and some means to inflate a tire. I wouldn't leave the house without any of that.

As stated earlier, a nail, screw, or other puncture can definitely cause a fast enough leak to require roadside repair. It's not always a slow enough leak to be able to reinflate and go. Besides, leaving the nail or screw in the tire can cause further damage if you continue to drive on it. It's always best to remove it and repair the tire before driving on.

I have to say, I find it a bit odd that such a simple, common procedure appears to have you so completely out of sorts. You appear to be at such a level of disbelief (that other folks commonly employ this method with no trouble whatsoever), that you have actually gone so far as to accuse us of "lying" about it. Weird.

I have plugged many a tire. It gets you home and the kit is easily kept in the trunk just in case. But....for the 911 I would probably replace the tire afterwards, along with its twin.

In the olden days, my method was even better. Go to the junkyard and get a wheel with an inflated tire already on it. Get a flat? Remove it and roll it into the ditch, put the other one on and go. Then visit the junk yard again.

I’ve heard tales of these car races in some of the southern states where the cars go round and round and round, always turning left. Eventually, they wear the grips right off their tires. Sometimes (and this is going to sound unbelievable) they have to change tires before the race is over. Those guys can change 4 tires, wash the windshield and dump in 20 gallons of gas in under 20 seconds...

Don’t believe me? Watch these guys dump in 10 gallons of gas and change 2 tires in 8 seconds... then go back to round and round and round...

https://youtu.be/qj-BLx922OI

I live on a small island, so I'm never really far from home. I've plugged many tires with the rope and glue plugs and none have failed. Ironically, I had a plug leak on a car that I bought. I replaced the plug and it didn't leak afterwards.

I have been told once you plug a speed rated tire, you drop down one level on the speed rating. Not sure how true that is, but a tire guy told me that.

Tire Rack has a page on Tire Manufacturer's Puncture Repair Recommendations on patches and it's effect on speed ratings.

TIRE TECH: FLAT TIRE REPAIRS' EFFECT ON SPEED RATING

After having a flat and the tire store said was unrepairable due to the puncture being outside of the crown. I did a little research. Tire sellers appear to be looking for profits and to reduce liabilities. Tire patch/repair manufactures have a completely different view on tire repairs outside of the crown area.

31 Inc. Xtra Seal Catalog page 125.

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Western Weld Catalog page 7.

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These are just two tire repair manufactures that endorse repairs outside of the crown area.

Each person needs to make there own decision on tire repairs.

is that rethread? contact patch coming off like that??! I would not expect that on a factory tire.. usually the contact patch is one piece with the sidewall, so it should not come off like that


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The tread is a separate extrusion from the sidewall on a radial tire.

Don't ever patch a leak that is beyond the shoulder of the tread. You would be in the high flex area that lacks belts/overlay. Replace the tire.

Factory tire. Had 8000 miles on it.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1605799669.jpg

So can I plug this? :eek::eek:

Cripes, I thought that was a bicycle helmet on top of that tire first blush.

I worked my way through school in a independent tire shop. We worked on many high performance cars. What was taught to me was never use a plug in a belted tire only use an inside patch and then only within the tread area never on the side wall. In emergencies people would plug the tire and come in for a proper repair we would remove the plug and patch the tire. Never had an issue with an inside patch that was installed properly. Additionally run flats should be replaced and never patched or plugged.