Interesting vids about correctly using your spoon
 

I thought these were interesting and made a lot of sense.

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Yeah, but those guys haven't been scarred for life after shooting Higgins .45 long Colt with his hand loaded, hardcast elephant hunting rounds :D

I'm fairly sure that if an elephhant was charging and Higgins offered me his spoon that I'd turn him down :)

I'm guessing that it's not the same with an elephant charging as it is with a bear charging.

With a bear charging, you take out the knee of the other person with you. The bear is happy with either one of you, so the slowest is great.

I'm pretty sure an elephant is smart, and doesn't really want to eat you, so if the elephant has decided that it's pissed at you, you're the one that's screwed regardless.

It only hurts the first time... :D

Good info...thanks for sharing.

I like Rob Leatham. He seems to be a very personable guy and shoots pretty decent as well. Seems willing to give pointers to anyone that talks to him.

My next door neighbor, a San Diego police Lt offered me this advice. If you have to shoot, wait until you are really and truly threatened and the bad guy is with in 10 feet or has actually hurt you then aim the front sight at dead center and pull the trigger until you run out of bullets! Many years ago, before Clint moved his training center I took their self defense class and he and his wife said pretty much the same thing....shoot until the bad guy thinks he's dead! The guys at our range who were in gun fights in 'Nam or Iraq said the same thing.

Target shooting is a very different animal and my black powder guns truly bear that out.

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If you see a guy who shoots well, getting pointers, and discussing technique are fine. But he got good by shooting. Lots of shooting. Technique is important to some degree, but it is secondary to practice. If you want to be a good shot, get good advice from competent instructors, practice dry firing, buy ammo and use it in intentional practice to make yourself a better shot. Start close, tighten your groups and when you're capable at that distance back up, and make yourself capable at a longer distance. Front sight, point shooting, isosceles, weaver, high grip, take whatever makes you better and work on it. But don't expect to be good without practice.

Some of us don't have the budget to shoot 75k rounds per year in practice.

That said, I have a hard time with the isosceles stance but can rip off 10 rounds in under 3 seconds and still hit the 8" target at 12-15 yards in the Weaver stance with a low recoil spoon. Everyone says iso is better but I don't have the budget to relearn. Then again, I don't do 3 gun, IDPA or any of those.

I would encourage everyone to get something like the Shootoff app on a PC and a decent webcam. You can also get a decent refurbished projector for under $200 for interactive targets. Put a training laser and snap caps in the spoons that require it and practice that way when the weather doesn't cooperate.

With that type of practice (like he was saying in the first video) you can see the short laser burst wobble if you are pulling. It has also helped our son hit that same 8" target at 15 yards with a .22 wheelgun consistently starting when he was 6.

Interesting. Thanks for the post.

We use the Laserlyte in the revolvers and semi-auto and they last several hundred "shots" before you replace the batteries. The batteries are cheap on Amazon. It is humbling to see the wobble trace when you shoot and are not gripping properly.

No one does, unless he is lucky enough to be a sponsored, pro shooter. Plus the time commitment to get to the range every day. If only there were a way a guy could shoot for less than a penny a round, and not have to drive across town to do it. You know, like any time you have a spare few minutes...

Enter the air gun. I have always owned a couple of good ones, but back during the peak of the ammo and reloading component shortage, I got serious about them. One of my best moves ever, as a shooter. I can now shoot literally every day, virtually for free. My shooting has improved dramatically.

We had a fairly big competition three weeks ago that I got talked into competing in. I've been really slack about turning up at gun club for shoots. Just turning up at BBQ lunch time and talking with everyone :rolleyes: But what I did was turn up half an hour early and did holster draw practice with a correct draw+target acquisition+trigger pull without moving the gun off target. I'm sure the (faster than normal) draw gave me an extra second, and with dry firing for half an hour... I got a third.

Since it's my thread, and I think it's related, enlighten us. What airguns do you think are great? Tell us, enquiring minds want to know.

The rifle I shoot the most is my RWS model 34. Mine is in .22 caliber, with a wood stock, and Williams peep sight. It's a great rifle to practice with. I also shoot their model 48, again in .22 caliber. My Weihrauch HW 80 in 5mm caliber is a wonderful rifle as well.

For pistols, my Weihrauch HW 40 is tough to beat. It's a single stroke pneumatic in .177 caliber, and rivals many Olympic pistols in accuracy. My Webley Tempest in .22 caliber is a fun pistol, but inherently difficult to shoot well.

Beyond those, I have several vintage Sheridan Blue Streak .20 caliber pneumatics. All have been reworked by Mac1 into their "steroid" configuration, pretty much doubling their power. These are my back yard "rat rifles", and do an admirable job on them.

Check Airguns of Arizona or Pyramid Air for good deals on these "adult" air guns. Some are not cheap, rivaling quality centerfires in price. They are, however, very well made, and will last a lifetime or several. Don't cheap out - buy quality, and you will never regret it.

There are two main issues with lots of shooting practice: time to get ready and initial cost.

Here is an example and once you get the equipment and cases the cost nearly drops to the cost of powder, lead for casting and primers. Once you learn with a press like the Lee Loadmaster 450 loads an hour can easily be done. the cost of the lead, primers and powder are continuing items.

Primers = $110 / 5000 small pistol.........2.2 cents per shot
Winchester 231 8# jug = $160 or so.......4 grains powder per target load = 14,000 loads or a little over 1 cent per load.
Lee Loadmaster Press = $384 which drops longer it is used
6 cavity Lee wad cutter mold = $53
Melting pot = $75
Tumbler with walnut shells for case cleaning = $60
Lead is a variable as some I get for free, some $100/LB, ETC wad cutters are 150 grains so about 46 wad cutters a pound.
Make your own shoot-n-see targets as per YouTube for 5 cents or so each

So once you get started, the biggest issue is time such as when my youngest daughter was competing for several years and shooting 500 rounds a day the time is a headache. We would get 20,000 rounds of 357 magnum wad cutters ready when there was several weeks of off time and then it wasn't such a hassle.

One good way to learn to shoot accurately by being steady...shoot a difficult air gun.

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I only shoot off a rest to check the zero of the sights. My target practice is offhand/unsupported with handguns and rifles. If you want to humble yourself, take your sub MOA rifle and see how you shoot it standing offhand at 100 yards.

This...I'm not a fanatic...but I can keep 'em in the kill zone with all of my spoons at reasonable distances + some. One of my LEO tennants is a former sniper...different "game" entirely. I had my pocket Ruger with me when my neighbor called me to check his place....LE on the way....no telling how fast my heart was racing as I went around checkng his doors and into the back of his garage....dunno how you really practice shooting in "real world" scenarios. I'm no feardy cat....but I sure was glad when Barney showed up :).

I ordered a laserlyte. I'm also going to test out this app just out of curiousity. I installed the app, but didn't order any of their other stuff.

https://www.itargetpro.com/

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It appears to watch your target for the laser hit, and then superimpose a virtual hole over the image of the target where the laser hit. I have no idea how it will handle a "dash" left by a moving laser, but since the app is free, I figure I can rig something up to see if/how it works for me.

OK, hadn't taken the time to tinker with the laserlyte or "iTarget Pro" until today. It's actually pretty cool. It's not really target practice, it's like an advanced dry fire practice. It's nice to be able to see the results of your grip and trigger control via the laser dot. The laser only fires for the period of time that the striker would be hitting the primer, but that's long enough to see movement if there is any. iTarget Pro doesn't take the movement into account. I think, depending upon timing, it may consider the hit at the end of the dash or in the middle. It also adds a game style shot noise every time you "fire".

Even more humbling is the wobble when you are gripping properly.