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Fine Tuning Smart HDTV - Samsung Curved 850 Series
A new HDTV a few weeks ago.
I've read a bit about calibration discs and the depth of fine tuning that they can and can't deliver. Anyone pay a tech to come in with their instruments and dial in your HDTV? What's the going rate these days?...$200 - $400? . Where can a dummy find some detailed info about self-tuning? This TV has so damn many tuning facets I get lost within minutes...chasing my ass back & forth around the room. Thanks.
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Tons of info on all tv's here....AVSForum.com - Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
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Dial in a TV?
$200-400? How about just pick up the remote and fiddle with the color / brightness / contrast sliders until you think "well that looks good to me"? Kind of reminds me of the old days in printing when people would spend hours on press getting the colors exactly the way they envisioned them which of course only mattered in controlled lighting environments and did not mean **** in the flouresent wasteland of retail. I used to tell people that I would personally reimburse the company for every customer who bought a product and after taking it outside decided to return it because they no longer liked the shade of blue in the packaging.
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The reality is there is no such thing as a perfect set up for a TV. Far too many variables to take into account. If you have the set in a dedicated media room with no windows and consistent lighting you can get close but that's not the entire story either. Different content requires different settings. Sporting content has different considerations from theatrical content. Viewing content from your cable provider may yield different results from channel to channel depending on the encoding of the stream, aggressiveness of compression used, is it still interlaced, yada yada We have not even gotten to disc based media yet, different generations off DVD's will use different codecs that affect compression and color space, same with Blu-Ray. Point is, it's a rabbit hole. Actually a field of rabbit holes where each one may represent a different setup to optimize the picture. Start with the basic factory pre-set options for content type, Movie, Sports, Gaming, etc.... Live with it, tweak the basics, brightness / contrast / color as you go. Find a happy medium and enjoy the set. You can make yourself crazy with this stuff.
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I'ma bit of a lighting guy (I do that at work and know WAY more than I ever wanted to know about lighting and light bulbs!).
However in my personal life I'm WAY more of a A/V guy... bought a home theater receiver with a bazillions audio setting and I gleefully spent hours tweaking the sound. However I digress. I hear there are some very good test disks out there, I would start with one of those and see what you can do, maybe if you have a techy friend or family member have them help out. Failing that I presume you paid a couple grand for the HDTV so paying someone a couple hundred to set it doesn't seem unreasonable (think of getting your 911 corner ballanced). Good luck (and I am highly jealous! We can only afford a 50" Samsung plasma )
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The link that I put above to the AVS forum, has really helped me in the past for calibration.
Just go to the forum section and search for your model. There will be diff users with their own settings. Try a few of them and use the one that works. I did that with my 65 UHD and the first calibration that I used was way better than my own.
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I think Don Ro is an audiophile (working off memory from the cassette thread) so chasing rabbit holes for the unobtainable perfection is standard operating procedure.
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Yes, what you say here, Matt, is what I'm finding. I'm willing to make a few fine adjustments depending on the source signal of each program (channel). I've read that most ISL Calibration techs will give at least two settings for different situations.
. What I'm noticing is sometimes I cannot see the lines between someone's teeth...a subtle blurred whiteness, etc. That's what I want to learn how to rectify...because, to me, that means that I'm not getting all that this unit can bring to the occasion...and I'd like to learn how to get there. I've read many Amazon reviews where the person gives their settings... I've tried them, and yet I think that I can reach for a more perfect picture if I knew how to dial in this particular HDTV. I don't want to just hunt 'n poke around blindly and just happen upon "acceptable" settings...I want to know what the hell I'm doing. I'll keep looking and hopefully will learn. *** Thanks for the replies, gents. ~~~~~~~~~~ Quote:
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From the AVS forum...Review of the Samsung’s UN65KS9800.
. "The premise of this exploration process is simple: Get this TV to perform at the highest level possible, including when viewing HDR content. Read on to find out how it went. . This is what I want to learn... ^^^...although this is not the TV that I have. 
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From what I've read and experienced, the most critical aspect is getting the black/white rendition accurate first - then go to color.
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Checking back in on this.
. I've learned a great deal in the past few weeks about this ordeal...through online reading, especially about what others have as their settings. Man!, I was way off in what I thought was my understanding of Brightness, Contrast, and Backlighting - to start with. Anyway, here are just a few of the many links that have given me some good understanding...I'm still searching for even more info. I may not purchase a Calibration Disc after all. But I may borrow my g/f's Blue Ray player, download some key patterns, and run them through my 8500 just to have some fun...and to see what else I can learn. I dropped by Best Buy the other day and spoke with one of their gurus on the floor for over an hour. Amazing what he knows!!! This tech field has left me behind...it's like learning a foreign language...being freshly born into this world and not knowing my ass from a Texaco station. . BTW, yes, the Food Channel is an excellent channel for tuning/setting. So is HGTV. And of course, NFL football. . Thanks for all who chimed in. 'Hope I didn't come across as a snot nose. . PS I'm also looking at how to get the digital signal out of this set & convert to analog for my 100 yr. old Marantz 2325 receiver (RCA inputs). So far, this looks like the converter I may purchase - the Best Buy guru likes this one. . https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0013LWK3A/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=WX4K0P82HHJ5&coliid=I3H2HT1LR15PUY . ~~~~~~~~~~~ Samsung UN65KS850DF LED TV Calibration Settings, etc. - Your UN65KS850DF is basically the UN65KS8500FXZA. Usually the stand or something else is just a little different but the internals, firmware, etc are identical. ~~~~~~~~~~~ Samsung KS8500 LED TV Calibration Setting - . Samsung KS8500 LED TV Calibration Setting ~~~~~~~~~~~ How to Calibrate . How To Calibrate Your TV ~~~~~~~~~ Troubleshooting steps for common HDTV problems . Troubleshooting steps for common TV problems
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