Why aren't flipover saws more popular in the US?

[porsche4life]

Just saw a video of one these and discovered there are several major brands in the U.K. I'd love to have one as I don't have a ton of space and would only use a miter saw or table saw occasionally.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SkDNkCDzEh4

[porsche4life]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SkDNkCDzEh4

[HardDrive]

Can the deck of the saw rotate a full 90 degrees? If not, it would be cool for a job site, but not of much use for a shop. My miter saw is against a wall. Kind of hard to rip 8 ft boards into a wall.

[porsche4life]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

Can the deck of the saw rotate a full 90 degrees? If not, it would be cool for a job site, but not of much use for a shop. My miter saw is against a wall. Kind of hard to rip 8 ft boards into a wall.

I don't have room in my garage to set it up as a shop saw, it would have to be moved out for any job I did anyways.

[dad911]

As I use them often, I would get frustrated. Need support for cutting long boards on a miter saw. Rip capacity only looks to be about 8". Before I bought that, I would buy a decent miter saw. If space is limited, you can do alot more with clamps and guides than a table saw. In fact, for cutting plywood, I prefer clamp/guides like this than setting up a table saw: https://smile.amazon.com/Bora-543050-Locking-Straight-Precise/dp/B00PQP12NI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485659113&sr=8-1&keywords=clamp+guides

[HardDrive]

Clamp guides. Learn something new every day. Its rare I would need that kind of precision ripping plywood, but it does happen...

[HardDrive]

....and I concur with dan, any situation where you are ripping/mitering long sections of wood requires support of the piece.

[lendaddy]

Because we're gaping manginas that perceive safety hazards in anything truly useful? What do I win?

[porsche4life]

Even a traditional miter saw isn't going to have support for long piecess unless you buy the stand that come with those supports, or you can get stands for using next to said miter saw to support your work.


And ya I'm not going to build the next set of cabinets for my house with it but I think it would be handy.


Listen, I learned to do woodworking in a well stocked shop, and I've had access to saws of all types, and for my current needs this one looks like it fits the bill the best. I've got a skill saw and I know how to use guided but that can be cumbersome at times too.

The question at hand remains, why don't they sell anything like this in the US? And if so, where does one procure such an item?

[wdfifteen]

You have to have some kind of support if your ripping sheets of plywood no matter what kind of saw you use. The flip over would be handy in a small shop, but it won't do everything, what saw would? I have one of those 8 foot saw guides. It's a pain to use, but a good way to get a really straight edge. Sometimes I just screw a couple sheets of plywood together because it's easier than setting up the guide. Use the top one as a guide to rip the bottom one.

[RKDinOKC]

Looked for a good saw when was considering making some furniture.

Was surprised to find out how expensive table saws were that were accurate enough to make furniture.

[JJ 911SC]

Originally Posted by porsche4life

I don't have room in my garage...

That is why they are very popular in Europe where the houses are small with no basement.

Average 3 bedrooms house in UK is less than 1,000 SQF.

Other popular combo tool are Planner/Joiner/Mortiser: Planer-Thicknesser NXSD | Robland

[DanielDudley]

Originally Posted by RKDinOKC

Looked for a good saw when was considering making some furniture.

Was surprised to find out how expensive table saws were that were accurate enough to make furniture.

The small DeWalt that runs 300 to 375 dollars is a remarkably accurate professional grade saw, and has a tubular steel support structure. It is as accurate as a 1000 dollar saw, and very easy to dial in to a specific measurement. It is the fence that sets it apart from its rivals. Buy a good blade, and you are set.

I would not buy any other saw for under 700 dollars, even though some are capable of preforming well. The Dewalt saws are solid no frills tools that will last.

I too would rather have a circular saw and a larger sliding miter saw than a hybrid that won't do everything I need. if you are doing small projects, that saw looks like it would do. But if you need to run precise depth cuts, rip rabbits or plow channels, I don't think that hybrid will do the work. I think anyone who contemplates a table saw should get one that will not limit him when his abilities progress. OTOH, many people could probably throw a 40 dollar blade into a cheap Harbor Freight chop saw and go to town with it, or make their own router table quite simply that would do those jobs. It is the back stop and depth and width of cut that separates the top end chop saws from the less expensive models. That, accurate indexing, and the ability to make compound miter cuts in both directions. The HF saws will give you most of that on a lighter, less robust chassis, and some people will screw a piece of wood to the backstop as an extension.

You can get a top quality chop saw and a professional grade contractors table saw for less than 1000 dollars. A lot less if you wait until black Friday and show up at Home Depot at about 7 AM.

[DanielDudley]

Originally Posted by JJ 911SC

Other popular combo tool are Planner/Joiner/Mortiser: Planer-Thicknesser NXSD | Robland

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This is a combo tool that actually makes sense.

[JJ 911SC]

Originally Posted by DanielDudley

This is a combo tool that actually makes sense.

Got their previous version over 10 years ago, one day I'll plug it or someone will get a good deal

[drcoastline]

For a DIY, home use, occasional small project tool it's pretty good. For any serious wood worker it's not very useful. First the 7-1/4" blade is to small. You can't cut bevels, miters, angles for crown or dimensional lumber about 6". Much the same issue for the table saw set up. The biggest issue for a serious wood worker would be time. Switching back and forth and resetting the saws is a huge time killer. You need a dedicated saw for each task.

[berettafan]

Originally Posted by RKDinOKC

Looked for a good saw when was considering making some furniture.

Was surprised to find out how expensive table saws were that were accurate enough to make furniture.

I bought a used Grizzly brand (china import built to a decent standard) for about $300. Cabinet style with nice heavy table. The fence on it is good enough though my eyes aren't always up to perfection. Put it on wheels and it's a great tool. Just built a bench for our dining table. I'm a lousy amateur woodworker but enjoy fiddling. Giving thought to a jointer and planer next.

[1990C4S]

Originally Posted by lendaddy

Because we're gaping manginas that perceive safety hazards in anything truly useful? What do I win?

I think this is a big part of it, and the 'safety guards' seemed complicated enough that most people would not use them. The lawyers would have a field day.

I also suspect it does a decent job, but is still inferior to a cabinet saw and compound miter saw.

And I want to jump from saw to saw, not spend time re-configuring that thing.

[RKDinOKC]

The founder of the company I work for makes almost anything in his small shop. He has a metal lathe, drill press that he can use as a router, and a shop Smith that works as band saw, table saw, chop saw, etc.

[slodave]

Originally Posted by RKDinOKC

Looked for a good saw when was considering making some furniture.

Was surprised to find out how expensive table saws were that were accurate enough to make furniture.

Huh? You don't even need a table saw to make fine furniture.... If you know what you are doing....