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bivenator 02-03-2017 06:05 AM

The Murderer Next Door
 
This tragic story caught my attention a few weeks ago. A man shot his female neighbor after a dispute over her dog. It seemed so senseless at the time and occurred in an area not known for gunplay.

Witnesses: Fatal shooting was over barking dogs; suspect charged | khou.com

The victim had helped the shooters wife flee to Mexico because of domestic abuse. The shooter carried a grudge and there were tensions between them. She had a small dog and when it went into his yard, he kicked the dog. When she protested, he shot her. The husband came out with his gun but did not shoot. A second neighbor also came to assist and held the shooter at gunpoint until police arrived.
The victim died in her husbands arms laying in the front yard.

We know the victims family in a round about way.

The strangest part of this tragedy is the shooter is now out on bail and returned to live in the house next to the victim and her husband.

I'm not sure I could have the murderer of my wife sleeping in the home next to me. Strange to me that the courts would allow this. I would not be suprised to hear of another shooting.

URY914 02-03-2017 06:33 AM

I bet a fire might start at that guys house.

ckelly78z 02-03-2017 06:41 AM

A few freinds, a burlap bag, and a coupla bats would take care of this guy !

motion 02-03-2017 06:42 AM

In what twisted place can someone murder their neighbor, then be out on bail? Is this Texas?

MRM 02-03-2017 06:45 AM

That is unusual. Bail for murder charges can be denied. Often bail is set so high it can't realistically be met. If someone makes bail there are conditions to their release. The conditions should include no contact with the victim and staying away from the crime scene, not doing anything to upset the victim, etc. There must be some reason to let the defendant live in his home and there must be some protection or buffer zone built into the conditions of release.

A few years ago in our area there was a similar murder where the local neighborhood nut job had a feud with a neighbor over feeding deer in their backyard. He and his wife came out one evening, him wielding a shotgun. After an exchange of words, the guy just blew the neighbor away. The wife was tried for aiding and abetting the murder but was acquitted, even though she appeared to be verbally encouraging the murder, she didn't take part. I thought that was a real miscarriage of justice.

flatbutt 02-03-2017 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by motion (Post 9458646)
In what twisted place can someone murder their neighbor, then be out on bail? Is this Texas?

the link states that it is. But how can he be out on bail no matter where it is?

MRM 02-03-2017 08:02 AM

The article says he's out on $50,000 bond. If so that's an extremely low amount. It's pretty shocking.

Porchdog 02-03-2017 08:16 AM

Don't be to surprised if the news report doesn't tell the whole story. It sounds like a bunch of the neighbors were armed and ready to rumble.

For instance, if the investigating officers found that she had a gun, they may also have had reason to believe that she pointed it at him or shot at him first. (Just speculation by me). If that was the case they may be expecting to drop charges.

It wouldn't be first time that reporting is incomplete or inaccurate.

bivenator 02-03-2017 08:35 AM

She didn't have a gun. The neighbor and husband both retrieved guns from their homes, I have no reason to not believe that account in the news article posted and similar information from other reports as well

If you have a 50k bond then you only have to post 5k in cash, IIRC my bail bond knowledge is limited. I would say the 50k bond is low, it seems he would be a flight risk as well.

Hard to fathom the senseless killing and now the legal system handling.

masraum 02-03-2017 08:41 AM

I read about that last week or sometime recently. I'm certainly not saying that the guy is wrong, but when you start messing with someone's marriage, you should expect nothing less. Just ask any cop. The worst call to go on is domestic violence. It's not uncommon for a wife to call the cops because the hubby hit her, and then have her turn on the cops when they come get the husband. If the wife needed to escape, then the husband is obviously a bit of a nutbag.

I wonder if the victim's husband could get a restraining order that would keep the guy from being able to go home?

flipper35 02-03-2017 09:02 AM

The fact the shooter is still alive shows a lot of restraint from everyone else.

masraum 02-03-2017 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by flipper35 (Post 9458853)
The fact the shooter is still alive shows a lot of restraint from everyone else.

Absolutely. Kind of a shame really.

kach22i 02-03-2017 09:28 AM

Texas, guns, add heat - watch the fireworks.

I think in Texas you can beat your wife, but not your dog.

No laughing matter, gotta feel for the shooting victim's husband.

Rikao4 02-03-2017 09:46 AM

no you can't beat your wife or dog Tx..
we can do a few of things other's cannot..

myself..
and as I love my Lady dearly..
he'd be dead..well he died slowly & painful..
his Lady..I'd give her a 5 yard start..

Rika

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Baz 02-03-2017 10:05 AM

^^^ go get 'em Rika! :D

MRM 02-03-2017 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bivenator (Post 9458803)
She didn't have a gun. The neighbor and husband both retrieved guns from their homes, I have no reason to not believe that account in the news article posted and similar information from other reports as well

If you have a 50k bond then you only have to post 5k in cash, IIRC my bail bond knowledge is limited. I would say the 50k bond is low, it seems he would be a flight risk as well.

Hard to fathom the senseless killing and now the legal system handling.

The way the article is written it could be that bail was set at $500,000 and he bonded out with a $50,000 bond. That would make a lot more sense, but still, a half million dollar bail seems low for a first degree murder charge.

Porchdog 02-03-2017 11:02 AM

I didn't claim that she had a gun - I used it as an example of the kind of extenuating circumstances that might have been taken into account. Perhaps I should have worded that statement more carefully.

I have had first hand experience with news reports that were inaccurate, left out important information or were intentionally misleading. (Not about me - I have rarely made the news).

My point is that lots of people seem to assume that they know the whole story from this article. Given that the shooter isn't sitting in jail, that may not be so. On the other hand there is a lot of influence and corruption operating in our politics and law enforcement - it's quite possible that fellow just has the right connections.

creaturecat 02-03-2017 01:11 PM

your country is sick.
to the point of no return, essentially.

flipper35 02-03-2017 01:24 PM

Nah, mostly just the media.

stinkindiesel 02-03-2017 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by flipper35 (Post 9459221)
Nah, mostly just the media.

We, the American public devour these information-free news articles and spend endless hours speculating over what really happened. Seems to me, the news organizations are only giving us what we are asking for...

After all, we're typically more interested in what our favorite rapper/diva/reality show star does than real news anyway.

Gary

masraum 02-04-2017 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by creaturecat (Post 9459200)
your country is sick.
to the point of no return, essentially.

Hah, we aren't special in that regard. Most of the world has similar problems, especially if you watch/read the news. Canada isn't special. Besides, all of Canada has fewer people than California (35 vs 38 million). THe New York metropolitan area has over half as many people as all of Canada (20 vs 35 million). If you look for the craziest, worst new stories from all of Canada, and put them all in one place, I'm sure it would read pretty bad. And those would just be the stories that people know about. Because of Canada's size and sparse population, I'm sure there's plenty of crazy stuff that never sees the light of day.

Concestor0 02-04-2017 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 9460402)
Hah, we aren't special in that regard. Most of the world has similar problems, especially if you watch/read the news. Canada isn't special. Besides, all of Canada has fewer people than California (35 vs 38 million). THe New York metropolitan area has over half as many people as all of Canada (20 vs 35 million). If you look for the craziest, worst new stories from all of Canada, and put them all in one place, I'm sure it would read pretty bad. And those would just be the stories that people know about. Because of Canada's size and sparse population, I'm sure there's plenty of crazy stuff that never sees the light of day.

"You’re more likely to be shot to death in the United States than you are to die in a car accident in Canada."

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1486257287.png

You guys have lots of guns lying around, that's what you want.

Por_sha911 02-04-2017 05:26 PM

The above chart is distorted.

The US number show homicide AND suicide AND accident whereas the Canadian number is only suicide.

I am thinking that if you combine all three, the Canadian may be higher than the US number. Eh?

Concestor0 02-04-2017 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Por_sha911 (Post 9460571)
The above chart is distorted.

The US number show homicide AND suicide AND accident whereas the Canadian number is only suicide.

I am thinking that if you combine all three, the Canadian may be higher than the US number. Eh?

How U.S. gun deaths compare to other countries - CBS News

red-beard 02-05-2017 03:45 AM

Neighbor claims self-defense in fatal shooting over barking dogs | khou.com

He is claiming self defense, that the woman attacked him first.

unclebilly 02-05-2017 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Concestor0 (Post 9460489)

Why do people in Onterrible hate guns so much?

masraum 02-05-2017 05:45 AM

Canada has a gun problem - The Globe and Mail

Quote:

If Canada were included as part of the 31 countries that make up the wider European region, it would rank fourth in terms of gun-homicide rates. In terms of sheer numbers, only France, Germany and Italy have more gun deaths a year. Suddenly it seems as if Canada isn’t the haven of peace and gun harmony that people might think. And this is just homicides we’re talking about.

There is another darker, hidden toll that blights Canada – gun suicides. As the Department of Justice notes: “In Canada, about 80 per cent of firearm-related deaths are suicides.” According to gunpolicy.org, in the 35 countries in the Americas only the United States, Uruguay and Argentina have more recorded gun suicides per capita than Canada.

This is Canada’s real gun problem. Between 2003 and 2012, at least 5,616 people were reported to have shot and killed themselves. It’s a shocking firearm suicide rate, more than 12 times that of England and Wales (at about 80 firearm suicides a year).


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