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GWN7 02-23-2017 10:17 PM

Bullet proof foam
 
"turns bullets to dust"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRpyM3a4Wj8

sc_rufctr 02-24-2017 02:06 AM

WOW... Thanks SmileWavy

BReif61 02-24-2017 05:05 AM

Can't watch the video at work, but I'm skeptical of the words "bulletproof" and "foam" used together.

berettafan 02-24-2017 05:15 AM

video looks bogus. like those commercials with fake doctors and pretend reporters.

'been shown to withstand various radiation'. ummm....yeah and? what did they think it would catch fire or something?

GH85Carrera 02-24-2017 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BReif61 (Post 9486395)
Can't watch the video at work, but I'm skeptical of the words "bulletproof" and "foam" used together.

The video shows it to be a metal foam. It looks like a piece of steel with air bubbles in it. Like any other wild claim, more testing is needed by independent labs. It would be a great way to make a bullet proof vehicle if it works like the video shows.

masraum 02-24-2017 05:28 AM

Super cool, except in the video, it looks like it's a chalk board that the bullet hits, and they don't show you the "after". You would think if there were going to come out with this, they would want to really show something cool. Must be at the VERY early stages.

sc_rufctr 02-24-2017 05:32 AM

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masraum 02-24-2017 05:40 AM

They are doing some pretty incredible things with nano materials these days that have some pretty amazing properties. I can't imagine why this wouldn't be possible.

GH85Carrera 02-24-2017 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 9486422)
They are doing some pretty incredible things with nano materials these days that have some pretty amazing properties. I can't imagine why this wouldn't be possible.

Cost?

kach22i 02-24-2017 07:29 AM

I remember this material from a year or two ago, a much better video was posted on it.

Still a good post, and the Halo-2 commercial which preceded it was most entertaining.

Made my day.

BReif61 02-24-2017 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 9486409)
The video shows it to be a metal foam. It looks like a piece of steel with air bubbles in it. Like any other wild claim, more testing is needed by independent labs. It would be a great way to make a bullet proof vehicle if it works like the video shows.

Definitely needs more testing. I pulled the video up on my phone, and it appears to be testing the armor against a .30-cal or smaller ball round. This would be a minimal level of protection for currently soft-skinned vehicles.

As for making anything bulletproof? Not going to happen. Much like idiots, they just build better bullets. My guess? Anything AP or over .50cal goes RIGHT through this stuff.

ossiblue 02-24-2017 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BReif61 (Post 9486562)
Definitely needs more testing. I pulled the video up on my phone, and it appears to be testing the armor against a .30-cal or smaller ball round. This would be a minimal level of protection for currently soft-skinned vehicles.

As for making anything bulletproof? Not going to happen. Much like idiots, they just build better bullets. My guess? Anything AP or over .50cal goes RIGHT through this stuff.

The bullet was an armor piercing round. Here's the detail of the test:

"The shield was comprised of boron carbide ceramics as the strike face, with composite metal foam (CMF) as the bullet kinetic energy absorber layer and Kevlar panels as backplates. To test its durability, Rabiei and her team took aim with a 7.62 x 63 mm M2 armor-piercing projectile, which was fired in line with the standard testing procedures established by the National Institute of Justice (NIJ).

"We could stop the bullet at a total thickness of less than an inch, while the indentation on the back was less than 8 mm," Rabiei says. "To put that in context, the NIJ standard allows up to 44 mm (1.73 in) indentation in the back of an armor.
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Lightweight metal foam turns armor-piercing bullets into dust

BReif61 02-24-2017 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ossiblue (Post 9486588)
The bullet was an armor piercing round. Here's the detail of the test:

"The shield was comprised of boron carbide ceramics as the strike face, with composite metal foam (CMF) as the bullet kinetic energy absorber layer and Kevlar panels as backplates. To test its durability, Rabiei and her team took aim with a 7.62 x 63 mm M2 armor-piercing projectile, which was fired in line with the standard testing procedures established by the National Institute of Justice (NIJ).

"We could stop the bullet at a total thickness of less than an inch, while the indentation on the back was less than 8 mm," Rabiei says. "To put that in context, the NIJ standard allows up to 44 mm (1.73 in) indentation in the back of an armor.
"

Lightweight metal foam turns armor-piercing bullets into dust

So the ceramic is breaking the bullet. The foam is just attenuating the energy. Also, the M2AP is an ancient round.

Not trying to belittle the progress in material science, just pointing out that this foam isn't performing miracles.

masraum 02-24-2017 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BReif61 (Post 9486643)
So the ceramic is breaking the bullet. The foam is just attenuating the energy. Also, the M2AP is an ancient round.

Not trying to belittle the progress in material science, just pointing out that this foam isn't performing miracles.

Well, it is pretty cool since it's foam. And I would assume, it's not necessarily ready for use in making tanks, but might be nice in certain applications. Also, if 1" does the trick with this old armor piercing round, maybe 1½" or 2" would stop your more modern rounds.

svandamme 02-24-2017 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BReif61 (Post 9486643)
So the ceramic is breaking the bullet. The foam is just attenuating the energy. Also, the M2AP is an ancient round.

Not trying to belittle the progress in material science, just pointing out that this foam isn't performing miracles.




You are being a bit dismissive just for the sake of it , no?

"This is BS , any AP will go right through it"

shows quote that it was AP

"That's old crap"


M2 Black tip may be ancient , it's still a pretty effective AP round.
It's 30-06, so heavier then any 7.62x51 AP round.

https://www.pewpewtactical.com/wp-co...or-768x403.png

More energy, more weight, more steel, more effective then 308 AP.
And you'll need the best plates you can find in your plate carrier to stand a chance against them.

You need to look at 338 or 50 AP if you want an upgrade from that kind of performance.


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intakexhaust 02-24-2017 09:57 AM

Try for yourself some backyard experimentation. Fire .22 long and then .44 mag 240gr. jhp into 3/8" thick Lexan at point blank range. Tell me your results.

flipper35 02-24-2017 10:38 AM

Also consider a lot of the 3rd world is using 7.62x39.

And yes, the proper term is bullet resistant.

BReif61 02-24-2017 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by svandamme (Post 9486723)
You are being a bit dismissive just for the sake of it , no?

"This is BS , any AP will go right through it"

shows quote that it was AP

"That's old crap"


M2 Black tip may be ancient , it's still a pretty effective AP round.
It's 30-06, so heavier then any 7.62x51 AP round.

I'm trying to be more skeptical to foster conversation. But APM2's are WW2 vintage. Encountering them in the field is going to be unlikely. They used that round for testing because it is the "round of record," so to speak. It's what they had when they started seriously testing armor and it has become the baseline for further testing.

I'm just saying I'd like to see more robust testing and the resulting outcomes. Miracle armors are almost never that (think: Dragonskin).


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