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bkreigsr 03-24-2017 02:20 PM

Help with tree replacement?
 
Last fall the township widened the road and sidewalks in conjunction with a sewer and water main upgrade.
Now they are offering a choice of replacement trees for the ones that they had to remove.
I had a 53 yr old Sycamore that was pretty messy, but lasted through numerous nor'easters, hurricanes, superstorms, and micro tornados.

Anywho, my choices are:
Redspire Pear,
Northern Red Oak,
October Glory Red Maple.
and White Pine.

The white pine choice is off the table for me, as most of them that were planted by the original owners back in 1964 got destroyed during Sandy. (It was the notorious white pine that was responsible for 85% of the home damages when the monster limbs broke off and went flying.)

Trees at being offered in a 4-5" trunk caliper, except for the pine which is offered in the 5-6 ft range.

Thanks in advance.
Bill K

stevej37 03-24-2017 02:58 PM

My choice would be the Pear tree. http://www.thetreefarm.com/pear-redspire-flowering

A930Rocket 03-24-2017 03:30 PM

Oak or maple.

Between the two, which one has a deeper root system?

Baz 03-24-2017 03:36 PM

Just got off the phone with my buddy who owns a tree farm in PA. He said the pears are going through 'Fireblight' issues right now (that's a fungus) so he'd pick the Maple or Oak. Both have red color in the winter and the Oak is a bigger tree, so maybe decide between those two based on size.

That's all I have.....good luck!

70SATMan 03-24-2017 03:48 PM

The red maple is going to be the faster grower and the fall colors are typically breathtaking. That would be my choich.

KFC911 03-24-2017 04:05 PM

I'd pick the maple. Nothing wrong with red oak either, but at least around here, they can rot/die at their core after decades...largest I've lost was close to two hundred years old. I've had great success with maples...beautiful fall colors.

Icemaster 03-24-2017 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 70SATMan (Post 9524970)
The red maple is going to be the faster grower and the fall colors are typically breathtaking. That would be my choich.

This. Oak would be a close second, only because slower growing. Typically.

Baz 03-24-2017 04:17 PM

Red Oak:

http://www.minnesotawildflowers.info...-rubra-017.jpg


Oct. Glory Red Maple:

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...pg?format=750w

KFC911 03-24-2017 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baz (Post 9524959)
Just got off the phone with my buddy who owns a tree farm in PA. He said the pears are going through 'Fireblight' issues right now (that's a fungus) so he'd pick the Maple or Oak. Both have red color in the winter and the Oak is a bigger tree, so maybe decide between those two based on size.

That's all I have.....good luck!

Maybe the northern species are different, but all of my maples and red oaks lose their leaves in the fall....barren in winter. White oaks (very slow growing) keep their leaves until spring.

KFC911 03-24-2017 04:22 PM

That's a little red oak :)...I'm used to 'em being several feet in diameter...

john70t 03-24-2017 06:35 PM

I've seen too many "half-pruned-trees" planted next to the road, which never look right.

What about something smaller like a japanese maple?
They still can get a bit big.
https://www.arborday.org/trees/treeguide/TreeDetail.cfm?ItemID=866
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1490409339.jpg

KFC911 03-24-2017 10:25 PM

Good point...I've planted a few maples over the years...there are lots of hybrids that one can know approx. how tall and wide they will eventually be when mature (say 30' x 25'). Oaks just keep on keeping on...at least the three I'm most familar with...red, white, and willow (planted several)...they're better in larger areas imo or you will eventually face this issue.

bkreigsr 03-25-2017 08:10 AM

Once again, here are my choices from the township:
Redspire Pear,
Northern Red Oak,
October Glory Red Maple.
and White Pine.

A930Rocket:Between the two, which one has a deeper root system?
Doesn't the oak have a tap root that goes straight down?

Thanks for the replies.

Bill K

Tobra 03-25-2017 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 70SATMan (Post 9524970)
The red maple is going to be the faster grower and the fall colors are typically breathtaking. That would be my choich.

It is what I picked, fast grower too.

pavulon 03-25-2017 08:46 AM

Oaks grow a deep tap root and become quite drought resistant. Acorns will eventually be a fall problem and draw squirrels and deer. Maples drop 'helicopters in the fall but also make a mess in the spring when they drop tiny husks after budding out. Both look terrific but the oak will be longer lived if left to grow.

Crowbob 03-25-2017 09:00 AM

Oaks will begin to shed their lower branches as they mature. Depending on their growth rate (i.e., nutrition, light, soil and water) after 30 years or so you'll be lopping off the lower branches that are 6-8" in diameter. That process never stops.

Oaks can be messy, too. Oak wilt is destroying the oaks around here.

ckelly78z 03-25-2017 01:53 PM

I have several red maples on my farm and love them. They have spectacular color in the autumn, have a nice shape without pruning, and only shed small sticks in a wind storm....they are pretty strong, and like it was mentioned before, will grow quicker, and get big faster than oak.


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