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scottmandue 03-30-2017 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by flipper35 (Post 9531920)
Oh stink. If they were the old film Rebel lenses I wish I had known. My wife has a T5i and uses the old film as well as the new digital stuff as it has the EF-S mount which means it is backward compatible with the older EF mount lenses.

No worries, my lens were all old FD 35mm film stuff

Scott Douglas 03-30-2017 11:19 AM

Lots of used cameras can be found here:

https://www.adorama.com/l/Used/Cameras/Canon~Digital-SLR-Cameras?sel=Model_Canon-7D

I have used this site for purchases in the past.

flipper35 03-30-2017 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by scottmandue (Post 9532211)
No worries, my lens were all old FD 35mm film stuff

Now I don't feel bad missing it.

JMHO, but Nikon and Canon make the best glass.

We got the T3i for about $100 less than anywhere else, including Costco at BH PhotoVideo.

Aragorn 03-30-2017 12:02 PM

First off, I too have the original Canon 7D and like it a lot. I purchased my 7D two years ago, used, from Adorama for around $550 (Adorama and KEH have used 7D's for around $450 now.) The Canon 7D is weather sealed and has a crop sensor with 18mp resolution. Image file size is around 20mb in Raw and 4 to 5mb in JPEG on the highest quality setting. Crop sensor is the important factor here. It extends the throw of your full frame lens. As an example, a 300mm full frame lens suddenly becomes around an effective 480mm lens (someone else did the math) on the 7d because of the Canon crop factor (Canon EF-S lenses are crop sensor specific so they don't reach farther on a crop sensor camera.) The Canon 7D and the 7D Mark II (Newer model with improved specs) are better for sports and action photography because the crop sensor lets your full frame lenses reach farther and get closer to the action. They also focus fast and isolate action well.

Coming from Pentax cameras to Canon, it took me around two sessions to learn where every button is and how to adjust the settings on the fly. The Canon 7D is much heavier and bulkier than my previous Pentax K-5 and with the added weight of the 70-200 f2.8 L series lens, felt heavy after holding for a few minutes. With time, the added weight is manageable and becomes second nature. The 7D also wakes up fast. I usually leave the camera on and it only takes a second or two for the camera to be ready to shoot once the shutter is pressed and the camera wakes up. I have taken thousands of JPEG's on my 32gb CF card and haven't reached capacity yet (Think it will hold 3,000 JPEGs but never checked.)

Lenses. Lenses are an important factor here too. Canon and Nikon have the most lenses available. While the new Pentax K1 full frame body is better (IMHO) than the equivalent Nikon D810 or anything Canon has, the Pentax full frame lens selection is sparse and hampers its ability to compete. Canon has the edge in available quality lenses over Pentax, Sony and Nikon. You get more quality selection of lenses with Canon than any other brand (my opinion.) Good glass also holds its value at resale time unlike DSLR camera bodys. Don't worry about using any of your old lenses because once you use a new lens with image stabilization and usm autofocus, they old glass will stay at home anyway. Spend your money on good glass. Buying lesser quality will only lead to wanting the best anyway. Bite the bullet now and spend the dollars to get good quality lenses.

Image Stabilization. New Canon specific lenses have Image Stabilization built into the lens instead of the camera body like Pentax. You will probably want Image Stabilization in any glass you buy. It prevents camera shake and blurry photos. Canon L Series glass is the best out there (IMHO) but is pricey. A 70-200 f2.8 L IS II USM series lens will run around $1,950 new. Good in low light and focuses fast. You can get non-IS L series glass cheaper, but you will get a lot of blurry photos on longer lenses if you don't use a monopod or tripod. The Tamron 70-200 f2.8 VC (vibration compensation) is around $1,200 new, $900 used, and has almost the same image quality and focus speed according to reviewers. It is also black instead of the Canon L series white lenses. If you need to be inconspicuous, you may not want a full size white Canon lens sticking out like a sore thumb. The Canon EF 100-400 L IS is a stunner also. Long reach and image stabilization but not quite the low light wonder the Canon EF 70-200 L IS II USM f2.8 is. Sigma makes the “Bigma” 50-500mm F4.5-6.3 APO DG OS HSM (around $850 used) which has Sigma's OS (optical stabilization) and a long reach, but most bird watchers claim you need a tripod or monopod to get good clear pictures. Anytime you shoot farther than 200mm with any lens, you are going to want a monopod, tripod or some other surface to rest against to get a good clear picture all the time.

Finally, DSLR's require a lot of practice to get good pictures. Having some background with film era cameras helps, but you have to study up on the interrelation of ISO, shutter speed, f-stop and exposure compensation in the digital era to get good pictures reliability when you leave green button auto mode. Lots of places online to do the research.

TLDR? Canon 7D is a good starter action DSLR if you can purchase it in the $400-$450 range used from a retailer. Private party is different because they don't offer any warranty so I would go lower, maybe $300-$350 if it checks out ok and doesn't have a high shutter count. Canon L series Image Stabilized glass is phenomenal, in my opinion, and holds its value well. Tamron and Sigma make good lenses that seem to suit your needs at cheaper levels. Do your research on all lenses before you buy to see if they fit the bill or are overkill, overrated or just as stated. Don't overlook used from larger online retailers. It will save you money.

Scott Douglas 03-31-2017 02:41 PM

https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/pho/6032037375.html

Not a bad deal and you might get it for less since it's been up for sale for a while.

masraum 03-31-2017 03:50 PM

If you are looking for fast action low, then get a Canon, not necessarily because of the camera, but because of the lenses. No granted, if you have been "getting by with a cell phone and point and shoot, then this may be an order of magnitude more than you need, but do you see all of the while lenses in these shots of photographers shooting sports?

http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/9c0ad3e3ff...dom-c1e8yw.jpg

https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/181054.jpg

Those guys are using Canons. Canon makes "L" lenses which are their pro line. Most of them are "fast" telephoto lenses and are white.

But like I said, if you are using a cell phone and P&S, then this is not really what you need.

If that is the case, then you really can't go wrong with just about any Canon or Nikon DSLR. The 5D that your buddy is selling would probably be a pretty phenomenal upgrade to what you've been using, especially if it comes with any lenses. If not, what sort of lenses will you need, what sort of distances are you shooting at?

sc_rufctr 03-31-2017 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 9531856)
Mirrorless cameras suck in bright light. I wouldn't have another one.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/951454-sign-being-old-coot.html

Joe Bob 04-01-2017 05:50 AM

Thanks for the input. Contacted 5 or more sellers, no responswe from any, flakes....my search continues.

wdfifteen 04-01-2017 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Bob (Post 9531910)
Fast action pics with good resolution. Potential for use in court. Easily brought into use. I am not afraid of a learning curve. Reasonably computer savvy.

Use the various buyers guides to find the features you need. Sounds like you need a camera capable of a high ISO number, a lens with a wide aperture capability, and a fast SD card. A good photo editing AP will let you zoom in, crop, and adjust dynamic range to enhance the image.

Joe Bob 04-01-2017 06:16 AM

No disagreement there.....seems the cameras have a huge retail to used price drop. Good for me but can't get the wankers to respond. Typical CL behavior....%^(

Scott Douglas 04-01-2017 06:16 AM

I'd highly recommend you skip C-list and get a used camera from B&H, Adorama or KEH. They'll have a grading system to tell you the condition of the camera and have good return policies too. Both my Sony's are used from Adorama, both have worked great and didn't look used.

Scott Douglas 04-01-2017 06:35 AM

https://www.keh.com/shop/nikon-af-s-dx-nikkor-18-200mm-f-3-5-5-6g-ed-vr-ii-zoom-lens.html

https://www.keh.com/shop/nikon-d7000-16-2-megapixel-digital-slr-camera-body-only-black.html

This lens and camera would get you where you need to be, IMO. Choose the E or E+ ones and I'm sure you'll feel like you have a new camera in your hands.

wdfifteen 04-01-2017 08:36 AM

Cameras, TV, iPads, phones are all things I wouldn't buy on CL. Too high a probability that they're not only stolen, but I'll run into the owner.

Joe Bob 04-01-2017 08:41 AM

Still waiting on a friend to name his asking price. I agree CL is sketchy. If no joy I will go with the recommended online stores, thanks for the help....

Mike Billings 04-01-2017 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Douglas (Post 9534484)
https://www.keh.com/shop/nikon-af-s-dx-nikkor-18-200mm-f-3-5-5-6g-ed-vr-ii-zoom-lens.html

https://www.keh.com/shop/nikon-d7000-16-2-megapixel-digital-slr-camera-body-only-black.html

This lens and camera would get you where you need to be, IMO. Choose the E or E+ ones and I'm sure you'll feel like you have a new camera in your hands.

Love this choice, Scott. I use these as well.

Mike Billings 04-01-2017 08:57 AM

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http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1491065847.JPG
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1491065857.JPG

Oracle 04-01-2017 10:12 AM

We got the new Nikon D500 and we love it.. its the second from the bottom in the DSL line but we couldn't ask for more, more functions that we'll ever use or learn how to use.

No reason for a high-end or spend more when you can't use the features..

What you really want is:
Wireless or Bluetooth

the rest is gravy ;-)

Mike Billings 04-01-2017 10:15 AM

Yep! My D5500 can be controlled with an iPhone app and the phone can pick up the photos from the camera. The D5500 also has touchscreen. It excels in low lighting. Not expensive.

Bray 04-17-2017 08:40 PM

Looking at the Canon EOS and Nikon D type of cameras


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