Shooting into water...

[KFC911]

Anyone who's ever skipped rocks knows that ya gotta throw sidearm to make 'em do that...what about shooting? I took my first shot yesterday into one of my ponds, but from probably an 80 degree angle, 15' down. I'm on a turtle mission from god . I have oodles of yellow slider turtles, that I'm being successful at trapping and relocating, but also have some big azz alligator snappers (2'+ in diameter) and smaller ones too....they gotta go. Yesterday, I was using a 9mm that I keep in my pocket. I could keep a .357 lever action handy for longer shots. What say ye?

[ckelly78z]

Mythbusters proved that more than 3' under water, the bullet hitting you was non-lethal. The ironic thing was, the smaller caliber/slower bullets fared better than large bore/high velocity bullets.

I would be more worried about hitting a rock, and rebounding back at you.

[Arizona_928]

Check out the video with fps Russia skipping bullets across the pond with a mini gun.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by ckelly78z

Mythbusters proved that more than 3' under water, the bullet hitting you was non-lethal. The ironic thing was, the smaller caliber/slower bullets fared better than large bore/high velocity bullets.

I would be more worried about hitting a rock, and rebounding back at you.

I wonder how accurate that one scene in Saving Private Ryan is.

War Is Hell

This was done on location in a little makeshift tank we constructed. We didn’t want the water to be too muddy, so we basically dug a large hole, waterproofed it with Visqueen [plastic sheeting], and filled it up with purified water just to get these shots. We wanted to show how the soldiers weren’t safe if they jumped into the water, that four feet of water over your head could not stop a high-velocity shell from going right through you. We had an underwater casing around the camera and a crane [set on a 40-foot flatbed trailer], so we were able to bring the camera up, submerge it, then bring it to the surface again. Instead of bullets, we shot pellets through the water that burst into blood bags.

Often the pellets wouldn’t go far enough but at least they gave us a really good reference so we were able to digitally augment the shot with a stronger visual of a projectile coursing through the water. What makes all of these shots work, however, wasn’t just the camerawork but also the sound design by Gary Rydstrom. He was being able to take you from the relative tranquility of being underwater, away from the din, and then suddenly you’re right in the middle of quadraphonic stereo that’s just blasting you. It was a real accomplishment of the sound effects editors.

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/saving-private-ryan-realistic-war-movie.739808/

There was a Mythbusters episode about shooting guns into water. The conclusion is that water stops bullets dead in their tracks. This doesn't happen

Reference https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/saving-private-ryan-realistic-war-movie.739808/

Physicist 'shoots himself' underwater to prove a scientific point
http://home.bt.com/news/science-news/physicist-shoots-himself-underwater-to-prove-a-scientific-point-11364036685038

Science kept him safe when he pulled the trigger.

[HardDrive]

The danger is bullets skipping off the water and killing someone on the opposite shore. But if you're shooting down at a 45 degree angle or greater, I really don't see that happening.

[DerkPerk]

Keep your angle steep and you'll be fine.

We would shoot carp in the river back waters with .22 rifles way back when. Never heard a ricochet...


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[berettafan]

And remember, there are NEVER EVER rocks you can't see under water. And NEVER EVER tree stumps or floating debris.

And there are NEVER EVER waves in water.

And the barrel of a gun is NEVER EVER moved from point of aim by the force of the trigger squeeze.

There is one very clear fact in all of this: if you shoot a gun into the water and it ricochets into something (human or otherwise) YOU will be considered the idiot in the scenario.

[Buckterrier]

Originally Posted by berettafan

And remember, there are NEVER EVER rocks you can't see under water. And NEVER EVER tree stumps or floating debris.

And there are NEVER EVER waves in water.

And the barrel of a gun is NEVER EVER moved from point of aim by the force of the trigger squeeze.

There is one very clear fact in all of this: if you shoot a gun into the water and it ricochets into something (human or otherwise) YOU will be considered the idiot in the scenario.

This
I was taught at an early age NEVER shot at water because of ricochets.

[HardDrive]

I once watched my dad shoot carp in a creek off a bridge with a .30-06. the creek was only about a foot deep. It really was spectacular. Huge splash with fish parts flying.

[Don Ro]

Carp...bottom feeders.
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Best way to cook Carp...
Oven to 350, whole Carp or filet it, place on a clean cedar shingle (slather salad dressing on it), bake until done to desired state.
Remove from oven, toss the Carp and eat the shingle.

[T77911S]

we were shot at a lake with a 223 and some tracers. one of the tracers did a 90 degree turn and went straight up.
I am assuming it is from the spinning of the bullet.

I am always curious about shooting at water but very reluctant to.

[KFC911]

LOL...I reread my OP....I'm gonna be shooting at turtles on the surface or submerged just a few inches....not through 15' of water . Guys, I'm well aware of what we were all taught about bullets skipping etc. but that's not really a concern IMO if I'm shooting downward from an angle greater than 45 degrees. I will be 15' or so above the water surface, no rocks or hard objects except the armor like shell of the turtles. Hmmm...I always have the 9mm in my pocket when on my rural property, but I want clean kills also...I could keep one of my lever actions handy (.22lr, .357, or .30-30) as I am VERY accurate with a rifle, but I don't suck with a pistol either...I could go big .45ACP, .44 Special or Magnum, but am leaning towards the .357 lever as I think that would have no problem penetrating one of these big ol' turtle's shells....I usually have hollow points ready for coyote, etc. but would use either FMJ or similar. Is 9mm MC sufficient? It's just a reach away when the opportunity presents....I tend to think so. Still mulling this over...thanks for your input!

[jamesnmlaw]

'member reading about this one in law school back when dinosaurs ruled the earth and I still dreamed of having a flying car.....

In mid-1967, Al Seedman, then chief detective for southern Brooklyn, caught the case that made his reputation as an investigator who could solve baffling cases. While driving on the Belt Parkway one summer morning near Plum Beach, a young woman named Nancy McEwen suddenly drifted off the road onto the median strip. A police lieutenant in the car behind her pulled over to see what the problem was. He found her moaning, with her head slumped forward, and called for an ambulance. She died a short time later at Coney Island Hospital, where doctors found a small hole on the side of her head that turned out to have been caused by a bullet.

Since only one window in McEwen's car was open, and none of them had been shattered, Seedman knew the shot had to have been fired from Sheepshead Bay or the nearby area, and that due to the distance and the car's speed, it was probably not intentional. He ordered detectives and uniformed officers to search the dunes and marshes for a possible shell casing. After 2,400 people were interviewed and several other leads came to nothing, he pointed at a spot on the map and told his detectives to look for people who owned boats. That led to the shooter—a local gas station owner who had been on his boat that morning taking target practice at a floating beer can. One of his bullets had ricocheted off the water's surface and killed McEwen. A grand jury ruled it an accident, and no homicide charges were brought, although the shooter was fined $100 for violating firearms laws with the rifle.

[KFC911]

^^^^ well that's just lack of common sense by the shooter . Of course a bullet shot from a boat is going to skip off of the water....have you ever skipped stones? Keep 'em coming guys....

BTW...even with a ricochet off the water (ain't likely with a decent angle), I'm in the middle of my rural property, my ponds are surrounded by woods, and the direction I'll shoot in also has a large hillside about 100 yds away. I think I'm seeking advice on which caliber to use at this point

[Sebscst]

Just use a quarter stick of dynamite.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by KC911

BTW...even with a ricochet off the water (ain't likely with a decent angle), I'm in the middle of my rural property, my ponds are surrounded by woods, and the direction I'll shoot in also has a large hillside about 100 yds away. I think I'm seeking advice on which caliber to use at this point

Clearly you need a 50 cal...



and shoot videos, we want video.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Sebscst

Just use a quarter stick of dynamite.

My great-grandfather used whole sticks from what I've been told. He didn't value the fish like I do however .

That might have been before some of the ponds were damed however...but one of my uncles did tell me that recently....he'd use dynamite to clear the muck....

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by masraum

Clearly you need a 50 cal...



and shoot videos, we want video.

I should probably delete my posts from this thread

Here's the video from yesterday:

[varmint]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

I once watched my dad shoot carp in a creek off a bridge with a .30-06. the creek was only about a foot deep. It really was spectacular. Huge splash with fish parts flying.

The new house is on a lake. It's full of non native pike. Thae state is sending letters about eradicating them. But it will take years.

I've been thinking of bow hunting them. Anyone here have any beginner tips?

[vash]

Originally Posted by varmint

The new house is on a lake. It's full of non native pike. Thae state is sending letters about eradicating them. But it will take years.

I've been thinking of bow hunting them. Anyone here have any beginner tips?

Dang. Sounds like blast.

And above: I was fed a carp cooked by a pro Chinese chef. It was outstanding. Very easy bones w white flesh.

I was shoveling when he said, " hey, you like carp!" "What carp?

I'd venture most have never tried it.