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rfuerst911sc 04-19-2017 02:50 PM

I hope he didn't damage the sheet he hung himself with , give it to the next loser in prison . I have no sympathy for this piece of crap he has been garbage to society for a long long time . Bye bye SmileWavy

sammyg2 04-19-2017 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 9557273)
I hope he didn't damage the sheet he hung himself with , give it to the next loser in prison . I have no sympathy for this piece of crap he has been garbage to society for a long long time . Bye bye SmileWavy

Stop beating around the bush and sugar-coating it, tell us what you really think. :D

ossiblue 04-19-2017 04:47 PM

Here's something of interest. Under an old Massachusettes law, now that he has died before his conviction could be appealed, his record for that conviction will be erased and he will, officially, haved never been convicted of murder. The same law applied to Ken Lay of Enron. When he died before exhausting his appeal, the conviction was erased and the gov't. lost out on the millions of dollars they were to receive to pay restitution to those he had defrauded.

Alan A 04-19-2017 04:55 PM

Inquiring minds wonder if he well-hung himself because he went from being a tight end to a wide receiver in jail.

I'll get my coat...

BK911 04-20-2017 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ossiblue (Post 9557427)
Here's something of interest. Under an old Massachusettes law, now that he has died before his conviction could be appealed, his record for that conviction will be erased and he will, officially, haved never been convicted of murder. The same law applied to Ken Lay of Enron. When he died before exhausting his appeal, the conviction was erased and the gov't. lost out on the millions of dollars they were to receive to pay restitution to those he had defrauded.


I just read something like that.
If true, his daughter may be eligible to receive the rest of his guaranteed contract.
If also true, hanging himself was pretty admirable imho.

URY914 04-20-2017 04:47 PM

Excellent article..............

Aaron Hernandez was seedy underbelly of Urban Meyer's Gators; Tim Tebow was the smiling face - Orlando Sentinel

flatbutt 04-20-2017 06:01 PM

I think it was the Daily News with the back page headline...Dead End.

angelny911 04-20-2017 07:17 PM

No he protected his wealth for his family ..once he committed sucide before he was found guilty it would drop charges against him there by protecting him and his family from civil suite

bivenator 04-21-2017 05:26 AM

Hernandez had a career ending neck injury. Thats all I've got.

Tobra 04-21-2017 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by angelny911 (Post 9558893)
No he protected his wealth for his family ..once he committed sucide before he was found guilty it would drop charges against him there by protecting him and his family from civil suite

This is the answer.

ossiblue 04-21-2017 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by angelny911 (Post 9558893)
No he protected his wealth for his family ..once he committed sucide before he was found guilty it would drop charges against him there by protecting him and his family from civil suite

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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 9559393)
This is the answer.

Not necessarily, or depends on the laws in Mass.

His death only erases his legal conviction, not his civil liability for say, wrongful death. His estate may be subject to suit even if he is dead.

widgeon13 04-21-2017 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by angelny911 (Post 9558893)
No he protected his wealth for his family ..once he committed sucide before he was found guilty it would drop charges against him there by protecting him and his family from civil suite

I don't think he was anywhere that intelligent.

Don Ro 04-21-2017 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 9559393)
This is the answer.

So, shall we assume that he wasn't a totally dehumanized individual?
He harbored some semblance of empathy and compassion...for someone...his direct family?
I find those who are willing to end another person's life to have curious psychological atmospheres.
BTW, a book on the subject is on Amazon.
The willingness to commit murder is strongly linked to the human trait of empathy...lack thereof.
.
https://www.amazon.com/Science-Evil-Empathy-Origins-Cruelty/dp/0465031420

tabs 04-21-2017 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by angelny911 (Post 9558893)
No he protected his wealth for his family ..once he committed sucide before he was found guilty it would drop charges against him there by protecting him and his family from civil suite

BS. Psychopaths dont do anything for anybody. He couldn't face the decades ahead of spending his time in a 6 x 8 cell with one hour a day in the yard.

Don Ro 04-21-2017 08:52 AM

^^^
My first thought, also. As well, tougher mugs than he in prison, I'd assume.

tabs 04-21-2017 08:58 AM

No more getting over and be taken care of by the Coach. Beat a guy to a pulp and the Coach will take care of it for me.

tabs 04-21-2017 09:04 AM

The Snowflake couldnt get his "safe zone" couldnt handle it so he ofted himself. He could do the crime but he couldn't do the time.

What it comes down to is that he never had to learn to take responsibility for his actions and his last act was to avoid taking that responsibility.

Ultimately the American people have responsibility because he could play a game that is a multibillion USD industry that looks the other way, where the people watching don't care about ethics or morality of the players or organization so long as it is a good game. So we have T Brady cheating and Hernandez murdering...and everything in between. this is a stark reflection of what America has become.

Liberals may cry out for understanding and tolerance...think of the poor children...that is until they become the victim of mayhem. Then they reap what they have sown because there is no one to care about what just happened to them.

speeder 04-21-2017 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by angelny911 (Post 9558893)
No he protected his wealth for his family ..once he committed sucide before he was found guilty it would drop charges against him there by protecting him and his family from civil suite

Number one, he waited until after the verdict to off himself. So much for that theory.

Number dos, civil suits for wrongful death do not depend on a criminal conviction. You may have heard about another NFL player in similar straights, what was his name...oh, yeah, OJ Simpson. :rolleyes:

His victims' families still can, and will, sue his estate into the ground.

Other than that, you got it mostly right.

Tobra 04-21-2017 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ossiblue (Post 9559451)
His estate may be subject to suit even if he is dead.

Whether his ploy is effective remains to be seen. I am quite certain his estate will still be subject to litigation.

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Originally Posted by widgeon13 (Post 9559454)
I don't think he was anywhere that intelligent.

He did not have to be. He just had to listen to his attorney.

His motivation may not have been so much to help his daughter, as to screw his victim's families a little more.

Bible verse stuff is a red herring.

Joe Bob 04-21-2017 10:39 AM

Baby Mommy suing.....:rolleyes:

Aaron Hernandez's Fiancee Sues Over Prison Suicide Evidence | TMZ.com

sammyg2 04-21-2017 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Bob (Post 9559620)

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tabs 04-21-2017 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 9559573)
Whether his ploy is effective remains to be seen. I am quite certain his estate will still be subject to litigation.


He did not have to be. He just had to listen to his attorney.

His motivation may not have been so much to help his daughter, as to screw his victim's families a little more.

Bible verse stuff is a red herring.

Do you even listen to your self....Hey I am going to OFF Myself because I want to screw my victims family...Yeah they hate you so much that they want to see you dead. That is like cutting off your head to spite your face.

What does money mean to you when you are facing the next 50 years in a 6 X 8 cell in Gladiator school. Money only means you can pay an attorney, and I will bet he had big attorney bills which probably ate through a chunk of his dinero. Maybe he didn't have much left? You don't think about family, you think you spend whatever it takes to get out of jail and be free.

He had one conviction over turned, and quite possibly was facing retrial, and had another with life WITHOUT PAROLE staring him in the face. That means NO WAY OUT...NO HOPE.

Which goes to wht he had written on his forehead when found..."John 3:16"

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.


Which means if you believe in Jesus the next world will be better than the one you are living in.

Tobra 04-21-2017 02:04 PM

Really Ted :rolleyes:

tabs 04-21-2017 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 9559568)
Number one, he waited until after the verdict to off himself. So much for that theory.

Number dos, civil suits for wrongful death do not depend on a criminal conviction. You may have heard about another NFL player in similar straights, what was his name...oh, yeah, OJ Simpson. :rolleyes:

His victims' families still can, and will, sue his estate into the ground.

Other than that, you got it mostly right.

You are subscribing altruistic motives to a guy who was shirking responsibility/paying for his crimes by offing himself?

How noble of you to kill yourself for your wife and kid..so that they can eat steak everyday for the rest of their lives, while you become worm food. Somehow being noble is a contradiction in terms for someone who was convicted of MURDER BY EXECUTION.

With John 3:16 on his forehead it is really clear that he wanted out from the problems he was facing in this life. He couldn't face going on to the bleak future that was in store from him. From the heights to the depths is how far he had fallen. He was a wild animal in a trap with only the captivity of the zoo to look forward to.

This whole episode is a real downer, it does nothing to cheer one up to face ones own existential self. It causes nothing but grief to even hear about it. The only reason I comment is that the commentary on this Board, is so rudimentary and ill thought out..

tabs 04-21-2017 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 9559870)
Really Ted :rolleyes:

"as to screw his victim's families a little more."


I am not the one who wrote ^^^^ this. This belies your sagacity and credibility.

You presumably have better than average intelligence and are reasonably well educated...yet....what does this ^^^ have to say about yourself?

I am shocked, incredulously shocked I tell you.

Scott R 04-21-2017 02:32 PM

He must have had some dirt on the Clintons.

Don Ro 04-21-2017 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 9559883)

I am shocked, incredulously shocked I tell you.

Would an enema make you well?

ossiblue 04-22-2017 07:13 AM

Another wrinkle appears in this case.

Hernandez's attorney says he will likely file the paperwork to get the conviction erased in accordance with Massachusetts law. If it is erased, and he was technically never found guilty, the Patriots may be on the hook for nearly $6 million Hernandez was owed on his contract since his arrest. His estate would probably sue for that money, and, of course, any civil litigation against the estate would be interested in it as well.

Field day for lawyers.

speeder 04-22-2017 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 9559875)
You are subscribing altruistic motives to a guy who was shirking responsibility/paying for his crimes by offing himself?

How noble of you to kill yourself for your wife and kid..so that they can eat steak everyday for the rest of their lives, while you become worm food. Somehow being noble is a contradiction in terms for someone who was convicted of MURDER BY EXECUTION.

With John 3:16 on his forehead it is really clear that he wanted out from the problems he was facing in this life. He couldn't face going on to the bleak future that was in store from him. From the heights to the depths is how far he had fallen. He was a wild animal in a trap with only the captivity of the zoo to look forward to.

This whole episode is a real downer, it does nothing to cheer one up to face ones own existential self. It causes nothing but grief to even hear about it. The only reason I comment is that the commentary on this Board, is so rudimentary and ill thought out..

Ah, no. I was just disputing the argument that he offed himself for some financial strategy related to his family, etc. That is a bone-headed theory born of extreme ignorance of the law.

How you could get "altruistic" out of my post speaks to the lack of reading comprehension found here and could actually explain a lot of the stupid arguments that leave me scratching my head. :confused:

speeder 04-22-2017 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ossiblue (Post 9560467)
Another wrinkle appears in this case.

Hernandez's attorney says he will likely file the paperwork to get the conviction erased in accordance with Massachusetts law. If it is erased, and he was technically never found guilty, the Patriots may be on the hook for nearly $6 million Hernandez was owed on his contract since his arrest. His estate would probably sue for that money, and, of course, any civil litigation against the estate would be interested in it as well.

Field day for lawyers.

Yes, the lawyers will win this one. BTW, there is a way to not let the lawyers win your life; don't be a criminal and don't do things that you can get your ass sued off for.

You're welcome. :)

Les Paul 04-22-2017 07:41 AM

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Joe Bob 04-22-2017 11:55 AM

AND....there OFFF!!!!

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/04/22/family-of-aaron-hernandez-s-victim-asks-patriots-to-pay-in-wrong/22050659/

The race for $6M+

legion 04-22-2017 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 9560485)
BTW, there is a way to not let the lawyers win your life; don't be a criminal and don't do things that you can get your ass sued off for.

You're welcome. :)

Not true. Plenty of products are more expensive or discontinued because of frivolous lawsuits.

MRM 04-22-2017 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 9559393)
This is the answer.

This is not true. His death does nothing to prevent the civil lawsuits against him. They just transfer to his estate.

Also, he committed suicide because he was freaking nuts. There is no ultiorior motive. Turns out he was a closeted gay and the murder he was convicted of was probably motivated by his fear of being outed. The victim knew he kept a gay lover since high school and Hernandez was afraid he was going to tell his fiancé. Hernandez left three suicide notes, one to his fiancé, one to his daughter, and one to his gay lover in prison. I don't think he was in control of himself since the day he was born. He was in such mental pain his whole life he finally ended it.

Finally, Speeder is about 95% right. If you don't commit crimes and don't manufacture defective products, your exposure to the legal system is pretty minimal. Things happen and we all
Make mistakes and there are frivolous litigators, so just being virtuous is not complete protection. But for all of those uncontrollable risks there is insuramce.

Joe Bob 04-22-2017 02:08 PM

A-Ron likes it up the A-Hole.....:rolleyes:

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/04/22/report-aaron-hernandez-s-sexuality-may-have-been-possible-motiv/22051036/

Not that there is anything wrong with that....


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