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Who knew a GX series was any good off road? Impressive.
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Who knew a GX series was any good off road? Impressive.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/LexusGXOR/

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Keep in mind that modern Land Rovers are completely different beasts than the "classic" pre-2005 ones. The newer ones are thoroughly modern vehicles with lots of luxury features and current engine technology; the older ones used technology that stretches back to the 1960's.

I have a 2003 Disco 2 with 158K miles. It has been my reliable daily driver and weekend off-road and ski vehicle for many years. The reputation these vehicles have for poor reliability is not entirely justified. They are not unreliable, but they are definitely very maintenance-intensive and demand an involved and observant owner. They are not a good choice for someone who doesn't want to do some of their own wrenching and stay on top of little things the truck needs, or invest in the proper fluids and parts. A good independent mechanic to handle the rare bigger jobs is also mandatory. Don't take them to a dealer, the Land Rover dealer service departments are notoriously awful and overpriced. Fortunately, for all of the known weak spots, (such as the "3 Amigos"), there are known and usually very simple solutions.

If it's in your price range, I'd look at a newer Range Rover Sport as a winter commuting car and skimobile. (Despite the name, it doesn't have much in common with the full-size Range Rover model.) The interior is gorgeous, it's quiet and comfortable, and even though it's the model that's not marketed toward off-road use it's still better off-road than the SUVs from most other manufacturers. Put some good winter/snow tires on it and it will be nearly unstoppable in bad weather.
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Love the look of the rovers- That's where the love ends.
Those land cruisers are getting a bit old,so I opted for a 2016 4Runner trd pro. Lockers, factory lift, remote res shocks, crawl control and damn reliable
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Simple, reliable, virtually indestructible - everything Land Rover owners pine for, at a fraction of the cost of ownership - my '93 Land Cruiser. Factory diff locks front and rear and a transfer lock in the middle make it unstoppable off road. Leather, air, cruise control, sun roof make it a joy to drive on the street. I don't understand why anyone would settle for a Rover when Cruisers like this are out there in large numbers.

Cool dog!

You are right about the durable capabilities the LC has. Tough to deny it. For years I admired them from a distance...they were out of my price range. Many later I started my shopping with the J80 series LC. For me, the interior was a major disappointment, as I felt like I was in a run of the mill Taco truck. Now I do like a utilitarian feel, I currently drive a '04 Wrangler, but the LC just felt cheap and uninspired. Contrast that to the Discovery, of which we have owned 3 ('97 SI, '99 and '03 S2), which set the bar for a comfortable and competent cabin. Huge glass windows provide the best outside visibility driving experiences we ever had. As already said, the Discovery excels on all road surfaces.

I still think they offer huge bang for the buck if you find a good one. Most were mall crawlers for soccer Mom's which can be argued was not good for reliability. It seems the harder you drive them the better they go - at least that's the story in the LR community. For the series II Discovery line-up the big issue was the 3-Amigos which stemmed from a crummy ABS module. LR just replaced them willy nilly for $3K a pop. Someone familiar with the unit found out that a simple wire bypass to the faulty internal link fixed the issue. We're talking a $3.00 trailer wire set and 1 hr of your time. If you go with the Discovery plan on holding onto it. They are tough to sell and don't command meaningful $$ to buy. They will bleed you dry in gas, ours got 9 mpg average drinking 91 octane. Our kids are out of the house, and my wife now drives a Infinity G37 sedan, she still misses her Disco. Hot tip...stock up on $1 moving boxes from Home Depot, oil drips are normal for these things. I think it was by design, no drips means you're out of oil.
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Lots of guys referring to the "soul" of the Land Rover, which I can definitely see. Funny, though, us fans of the "real" Land Cruisers (live front axle, straight six power) talk about their "soul" as well. They are truly a no-compromise, no-B.S. off-road rig, with the last version of them (the 80 series) having fairly good around town manners as well. They are every bit as capable (properly optioned ones far more capable) than the Land Rover off-road, without the niggling little B.S. problems.

Of course, I'm biased. Here is my first Land Cruiser, the one that set the hook. A '71 FJ 40 that I sold to a buddy with over 500,000 miles on the clock. I hammered this thing off-road for 25 years and couldn't break it. Then the rust got out of hand (thank God the newer ones don't do this):

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I like this rig a lot...if I did not own an FJ I would be looking at one of these. Very cool
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This is my 11' 5.0L Super I have this for going back and forth to Denver and Eagle and Vail. It pulls like a train; confident on the worst storms and massively comfy to drive. Nice little extras like heated steering wheel and de-icing windshields are always nice.




Oh, and so far only oil changes.

edit: It's a Range Rover Sport
The AJV8 is a sweet engine, nice car.
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I actually found my 80 series LC to have a huge amount of soul. Probably the most overbuilt truck I have ever owned or wrenched on. Two belts for redundancy on the alternator, who does that?!
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Yes there is. The LR3. Get an '08 or '09. I've owned 8 Land Rovers- my '08 LR3 was by far the most reliable, capable all rounder.

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Who knew a GX series was any good off road? Impressive.

It's a fancy 4Runner.
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I was going to recommend the LR3 as well. The Jaguar sourced V8 plus a 6 speed auto make it much more road friendly for your city and highway miles. I also like the way all the back seats fold down compared to the Discovery.
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My son in law's is a 2011 Land Rover Autobiography. 50k miles no issues. He loves it.
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I have a 1999 Range Rover Callaway edition and I love it--it's been surprisingly reliable, except for the issues that were present when I bought it. I also paid $6500 for it. I personally love the look, hate the engineering and climate control design. I also have a 1991 Mitsubishi Montero. I would take the montero over the RR any day of the week.

As for the best RR? I'm not sure, but do like the 2012 RR sport. Drove one a couple months back for fun, and I did like it. However, I'll be glad when I get my RR a new owner, even though it is in good shape, and has given me little hassle.
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I'm sure there's justification out there for LR reliability issues... Same as IMS/RMS on porsches...
All I know is the wife had a Disco 1, disco 2, 2x LR3s and now a RR sport... All well used. Wanna know how many breakdowns we had over the past 15+ years ? None....

Off hand I recall one coolant tank cracking (but driveable). One catalytic converter (warranty is long on exhaust, like 10y). And a headliner falling off (my bad, left the sunroof open during a rainstorm, sold that one)

I also remember towing stuff without noticing it was there, carrying 7 people, driving not just thru but inside rivers with the LR folks, mudding in the ocala forest, and my favorite: being the only car out post hurricane on flooded roads (w/snorkel). They are cool cars, I don't know that they deserve all that negativity (from the point of view of a serial owner, not just repeating what I read online).. I'd look at a nice LR3 for best bang for the buck... $15K buys a nice one... RR sport is comfier and sportier but has little trunk space vs. LR3/4. There's also a supercharged RR sport that'll give a Cayenne turbo a run for its $ too... Still I think used LR3 is where it's at $ for $

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While I still prefer the Land Cruiser, my Disco 1 did look cool and drive well. But I was always terrified about what would break next.


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Anyone wanna buy a '93 Land Rover located in Montrose, CO?
I helped my wife's grandson buy it in the spring knowing it would need brake work. The job is little over his head (he's 16)......Runs great, straight, rust free body.....I' think he'd let it go and move on??
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My wifes LX450 with the TRD supercharger, AISIN Winch, front and rear lockers...

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