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kach22i 08-21-2017 04:33 PM

Soybeans - Edamame Beans - Good or Bad?
 
Soybeans, what do you know about them?

My wife brought home this giant bag of soybeans in their husk pods out of no where. I have no idea why, but I needed something green for my dinner dish, so I used some of them.

Squeezed them out of the husk after simmering covered with my marinated pork, mushroom and coconut rice dish.

Not bad, not great, I'm just a little bloated now though - hey it's like any other bean in that respect, right?

Background:

Seven years ago I watched an video online that claimed soy is bad for you, stay away from it.

This video also promoted a low gluten diet, it got me started on the right track because it promoted eliminating processed food, that is food that comes in a box or comes ready to eat. Many boxed, bottled and canned foods contain soy, ever read what is in your salad dressing?

This video claimed that Americans eat many times (10X?) more soy than consumed in Asia, and in Asia the soy is fermented (tofu) and that is different - better.

All the stuff in process foods, the wheat, the soy, the sugar interferes with one of the main duties of your liver, that function is regulation of fat storage. When taxed out and overworked your liver gives up and you store a lot of fat - at least according to this video.

Today:

I skimmed these articles, nothing evil popped out, cautions of moderation abound though.

Health Effects of Edamame Soybeans
Health Effects of Edamame Soybeans | Healthy Eating | SF Gate

Soy protein alleviates symptoms of fatty liver disease, study suggests
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120422162417.htm

Edamame Beans Nutrition, Benefits, Side Effects and Information
Edamame Nutrition, Benefits, Side Effects, Info (Edamame Beans)

What's in your belly?

Has anyone been eating soy on purpose?

Has anyone been staying away from soy on purpose?

What's the verdict?

What do you know and how do you know it?

Turned out not to be something green added to my dish, just more protein - I think.

Gogar 08-21-2017 04:58 PM

Modern USA soybeans can get roundup sprayed all over them and not die, which will make you think about it for a minute.

jlj 08-21-2017 05:17 PM

Soy boosts estrogen stay away

wdfifteen 08-21-2017 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kach22i (Post 9709076)
Has anyone been staying away from soy on purpose?

Compared to other beans they taste like crap. They are high in protein, which may be an attraction for vegans, but I get enough protein from beef, chicken, pork, flies etc.

kach22i 08-21-2017 05:27 PM

This brand claims to be "USDA Organic", which I didn't know the government got involved organic certification.

Also claims to be "Non-GMO"

If I wake up with breasts in the morning will I be happy or sad?

javadog 08-21-2017 06:03 PM

If you wake up in the morning with breasts, don't ****ing tell us about it. TMI.

I eat edamame when I'm going to a sushi restaurant and enjoy it. Don't think much about it the rest of the time, couldn't care less what the studies say. Most of my soy consumption comes in the form of soy sauces and similar products. Once again, I use them when I need them, don't care about the nutritional aspect. I hardly ever eat tofu, there's only a couple dishes I cook with it and I don't really miss it.

I quit paying attention to nutritional studies when I saw the fourth or fifth one about coffee. I don't recall whether it was good or bad in the last study I read, but they seem to go back-and-forth on the issue. I tend to think they don't have a clue.

If you want a bean to add something green to your diet, buy some haricot vert, or long beans, or any sort of string bean. A soy bean is about the last bean I would think of in that situation.

Bill Douglas 08-21-2017 06:09 PM

I've been drinking Vitasoy brand soy milk for about 30 years with no odd effects (no tits, desire to wear short skirts...).

And that's fairly much every day.

cabmandone 08-21-2017 06:41 PM

More farmers around here have gone away from Roundup ready beans mostly because Marestail weeds have become pretty much immune to the stuff. The 80 acres around my house is all non GMO. Some have gone to Liberty beans which is basically a competitor substitute for roundup ready.
As for eating them, My wife comes home with some sort of snack that is almost like a fried soy bean with ranch or some other flavoring that isn't too bad but that's the extent to which I consume soybeans.

WPOZZZ 08-21-2017 09:09 PM

I've eaten them since I was a kid. You boil the soybeans in the pod with a bunch of salt in the water. I boil them for about 20 minutes and let them soak for another 20 minutes. They are nice and soft, and taste great! They aren't the bright green like you see on those bags, but you can suck on the pod and pop out the bean. It makes a great snack.

So far, no tits, emotional swings, but I do ask my gf if my jeans make my butt look big.

aigel 08-21-2017 10:54 PM

I stay away from frequent soy consumption. I generally think they are pig food. Not for human consumption in large quantities.

Edamame is largely from China. I will not knowingly buy food from China.

If you want beans, there are so many great ones. I love Peruvian beans and blackeyed peas. I force myself to cook beans or lentils once a week. They make a great meal and some smoked meat pieces thrown in round it off perfectly.

G

WPOZZZ 08-21-2017 11:03 PM

Years ago, I was at my brother's in San Carlos and we went to a Whole Foods. I was looking for fresh soybeans and my brother told me they use it to feed the cattle, not humans.

kach22i 08-22-2017 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aigel (Post 9709460)
Edamame is largely from China. I will not knowingly buy food from China.

I saw a TV special on the food chain in China, they have polluted their rivers and irrigate their crops with the same water.............everything is poisoned.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WPOZZZ (Post 9709462)
I was looking for fresh soybeans and my brother told me they use it to feed the cattle, not humans.

I've been staying away from beef the best I can for years ever since it started upsetting my stomach. You just gave me one more reason to stay away from beef, that is unless they feed this stuff to milk cows. Then I'm screwed as I like to use butter in my cooking and have a lattes on the weekend.

The name on the bag I used yesterday: (from California)

http://www.seapointfarms.com/images/logo.png
Seapoint Farms FAQs
Quote:

Edamame is a specialty soybean harvested as a green vegetable when the seeds are immature and have expanded to fill 80 to 90 percent of the pod width. Like field-dried soybeans, the seeds of Edamame varieties are rich in protein and highly nutritious.

Edamame is naturally gluten-free and low calorie, contains no cholesterol and is an excellent source of protein, iron, and calcium. It is an excellent source of protein for those who follow a plant-based diet.
In short, this stuff isn't for me.

I woke up at 3:00 in the morning to go pee, and my stomach was all bloated out (an uncomfortable condition), I felt a mild flue like queasiness as well.

I took a couple of charcoal pills and chewed a couple of Tums, woke up feeling better.

I've decided I don't need another food that bloats me out.

My stomach is becoming more sensitive as I get older, my guts especially.

I feel that a person must try new things once in a while, maybe some of you will have better luck.

I suppose as with anything else, moderation is the key.

If anything yellow ocher in color comes out the other end after eating this stuff let me know. I'm still trying to figure out if there is a connection. I typically lean to the olive green side of the color spectrum because I eat so many green leafy vegetables.

Looks like this company does more than the frozen beans still in the green husks, they process all sorts of other products out of it.

Seapoint Farms

I'm going back to treating soy as I do wheat and beef, consume as little as possible. But that's just me.

M.D. Holloway 08-22-2017 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlj (Post 9709143)
Soy boosts estrogen stay away

Could be why Asians (who typically have a soy rich diet) don't have much facial hair?

Neilk 08-22-2017 07:05 AM

Daughter loves Edamame, but all the ones I find locally were grown in China, no thanks! I will have to look for the Seapoint Farms ones.

Geary 08-22-2017 07:36 AM

I gave up soy about a week ago, and I'm already feeling better. It was swelling my prostate and (I at least imagined) my pecs were getting soft.

NO China food EVER ..

javadog 08-22-2017 07:46 AM

The story about pine nuts grown in China illustrates the Chinese mentality to a T. It's why I look long and hard to avoid anything that comes from that hideous country when I'm out shopping. I spent some time in Asia when I was growing up, and I was surrounded by Chinese. Didn't like how they did business then, don't like it now.

Screw 'em.

My apologies to anybody of Chinese descent in this country...

red-beard 08-22-2017 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlj (Post 9709143)
Soy boosts estrogen stay away

My wife was drinking soy milk, making "smoothies" with soy powder, etc, when we first met. She way overdid soy.

Found out shortly after marriage that she had uterine cysts which were probably caused by the overeating of soy products, since they mimic estrogen.

So, no kids. And the cysts went away when she went into menopause...

scottmandue 08-22-2017 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Douglas (Post 9709241)
I've been drinking Vitasoy brand soy milk for about 30 years with no odd effects (no tits, desire to wear short skirts...).

And that's fairly much every day.

Same here, drank vitasoy for decades with no ill effects... my wife got on a health kick and we switched to Almond milk... just waiting for some kind of report telling us almonds are bad for us.

We still get edamame as an appetizers when we go out for Japanese food.

They grow a lot if soybeans here in the states so if your check the labels you should be okay.

Cattle are also fed grain and corn, I'm not cutting out those out of my diet any time soon.

cabmandone 08-22-2017 02:37 PM

For the record, they don't really feed the beans to beef cattle or at least not where I'm from. They feed the stuff that has had the soy oil processed out of it (soy meal I guess) to the cattle.

M.D. Holloway 08-22-2017 05:45 PM

hmmm...well, I witnessed my FIL feed beans to his cattle.

stealthn 08-22-2017 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gogar (Post 9709113)
Modern USA soybeans can get roundup sprayed all over them and not die, which will make you think about it for a minute.

Correct, they are genetically modified to resist Roundup/herbicides, but it's been found the actual levels of the chemcial that gives cancer is up 72% from the non-GMO ones

wdfifteen 08-22-2017 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 9710426)
For the record, they don't really feed the beans to beef cattle or at least not where I'm from. They feed the stuff that has had the soy oil processed out of it (soy meal I guess) to the cattle.

It's called "soybean oil meal". High fiber and protein and relatively cheap source of same. It's not economical to feed the whole bean - there are WAY cheaper feeds.

72doug2,2S 08-22-2017 07:01 PM

They taste good, but they give me the wind.

kach22i 08-22-2017 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peteremsley (Post 9710791)
I think they banned roundup in France quite recently, right?

I don't know, but I recall the Germans being upset that places RoundUp hasn't been used in a decade had the chemical showing up in their beer because the nearby soil was still contaminated and being blown over by the wind.

That stuff just doesn't go away after you stop using it, it's there forever.

The beer laws cannot be broken, that stuff wasn't around 500 years ago - not on the list of ingredients. This might mean war.

BASF has a lot of sway in Germany, I think they supply the base chemicals.

France could have gone RoundUp free, but in Germany it is a political struggle.

The politic has been bought and paid for just like in the US.

M.D. Holloway 08-22-2017 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kach22i (Post 9710803)
I don't know, but I recall the Germans being upset that places RoundUp hasn't been used in a decade had the chemical showing up in their beer because the nearby soil was still contaminated and being blown over by the wind.

That stuff just doesn't go away after you stop using it, it's there forever.

The beer laws cannot be broken, that stuff wasn't around 500 years ago - not on the list of ingredients. This might mean war.

BASF has a lot of sway in Germany, I think they supply the base chemicals.

France could have gone RoundUp free, but in Germany it is a political struggle.

The politic has been bought and paid for just like in the US.

It most likely causes all sorts of maladies...Monsanto = death

kach22i 08-23-2017 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M.D. Holloway (Post 9710884)
It most likely causes all sorts of maladies...Monsanto = death

The science debates this, but your joke might be closer to the truth than you know.

Roundup Linked to Depression, Alzheimer's, Autism
https://www.wellnessresources.com/news/roundup-linked-to-depression-alzheimers-autism
Quote:

Glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup, disrupts the trace mineral manganese in the body causing low levels in the blood and sometimes high levels of it in the liver and brainstem if the liver is too toxic. Glyphosate creates a “dysbiosis” of manganese in the body. Manganese is a necessary catalyst for the shikimate pathway. This pathway is found in plants but also our gut bacteria. Our bodies depend on this gut bacteria pathway to supply us with the amino acids tryptophan, tyrosine, phenylalanine, methionine, and glycine. Serotonin, melatonin, melanin, epinephrine, dopamine, thyroid hormone, folate, coenzyme Q10, vitamin K and vitamin E depend on this pathway too. Glyphosate’s act of binding onto manganese ends up causing the shikamate pathway to be impaired which then leads to a disruption of each these elements. The end result is a domino effect on neurotransmitter, brain, gut, thyroid, bone, energy, skin, and detoxification functions.
I don't know about 1/3 of the words used in the above quote, but it sounds like serious stuff to me.

https://www.wellnessresources.com/news/roundup-linked-to-depression-alzheimers-autism
Quote:

Roundup is the number one herbicide used on the planet since 2001. It is used on core food crops especially the GMO Roundup Ready corn, soy, canola, cotton, alfalfa, and sugar beets. There is an increasing rate of herbicide application, because weeds among the genetically engineered crops are developing resistance to Roundup. This would be similar to what we have been experiencing with the development of antibiotics and the superbugs that are now resistant to antibiotics, but on a much grander, global scale.
Most of the items above are already off my list of consumables, and I don't eat cotton. I wonder if residue can rub off your clothes and into the skin - the largest organ of the body.

Guess I'll have to go naked now.
:D

UPDATE:
My wife got the giant bag of Edamame Beans from a neighbor moving out of state, and gave it away last night to a new neighbor moving in across the street. There were several smaller pouches in the larger bag, I still have the open one in the freezer. I might boil them in salty water and take them to a lawn party I am going to Saturday. No matter what their shortcoming are, they have to be healthier than most other snack foods.


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