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motion 09-28-2017 09:08 AM

I'm completely out of touch with the job market - what are startup mgrs getting paid?
 
I've been given an opportunity to handle all aspects of 2 new online startups for an old friend: website creation, marketing, launch, etc. He wants to hand everything to me and say "Go".

I'm not in this for the money. Rather, I'm interested because it will keep me occupied for at least a few years, and will help me re-sharpen my skills. I'd probably do it for him for next to nothing. The projects are both interesting to me and I feel that they're worthwhile.

That being said, what should this position pay per month? It will be a 1099 scenario in southern California. Just looking for some guidance on what I should ask for.

TheMentat 09-28-2017 09:34 AM

Equity!

Seahawk 09-28-2017 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMentat (Post 9754991)
Equity!

Yup.

Rick Lee 09-28-2017 09:44 AM

Probably depends on what your candidates are making at their current jobs. Unless they're miserable and/or your job is their dream job, you'll have to offer them more. Glassdoor has good stats on salaries for various titles at most companies you've heard of. Start there and look for the titles you'd likely consider to be good candidates for your company. You'll need to be in that ballpark or higher.

motion 09-28-2017 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 9755008)
Probably depends on what your candidates are making at their current jobs. Unless they're miserable and/or your job is their dream job, you'll have to offer them more. Glassdoor has good stats on salaries for various titles at most companies you've heard of. Start there and look for the titles you'd likely consider to be good candidates for your company. You'll need to be in that ballpark or higher.

I am the candidate, Rick.

motion 09-28-2017 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMentat (Post 9754991)
Equity!

I should have mentioned... I'm not interested in equity. If everything works out, I will handle the long-term international expansion of one of the products.

tabs 09-28-2017 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by motion (Post 9755026)
I should have mentioned... I'm not interested in equity. If everything works out, I will handle the long-term international expansion of one of the products.

Yeah and what would you do with a second Gulfstream... I get it...

Seahawk 09-28-2017 10:48 AM

Have you 1099'ed before?

May seem like a stupid question but the tax implications and requirements are interesting at best.

If he is a good friend, tell him you are not interested in anything less than a fair offer from him.\ without negotiation. He should be willing to provide without hesitation.

Bill Douglas 09-28-2017 11:02 AM

Maybe someone independent to negotiate pay.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1506625342.jpg

motion 09-28-2017 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Seahawk (Post 9755080)
Have you 1099'ed before?

May seem like a stupid question but the tax implications and requirements are interesting at best.

If he is a good friend, tell him you are not interested in anything less than a fair offer from him.\ without negotiation. He should be willing to provide without hesitation.

Yes, have been 1099 on and off for 25 years.

Really just looking for a general number that will serve as an initial conversation-starter.

motion 09-28-2017 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Douglas (Post 9755103)
Maybe someone independent to negotiate pay.[/img]

No! We'll figure this out in about 30 seconds, face to face.

SeanPizzle 09-28-2017 12:05 PM

So Cal product manager with tech company should be $160-200K. Figure out what you need to make an hour as 1099 from that with self employment taxes.

cairns 09-28-2017 12:16 PM

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Maybe someone independent to negotiate pay.
Too funny. But I pictured this:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...75_634x662.jpg

It worked out for Alonso, right?

porsche4life 09-28-2017 02:17 PM

If you do your job well, how much will you be able to make for him in a month? If you can't tell him how much you can bring in, how can you know how much is appropriate compensation.

motion 09-28-2017 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by porsche4life (Post 9755352)
If you do your job well, how much will you be able to make for him in a month? If you can't tell him how much you can bring in, how can you know how much is appropriate compensation.

Its a startup, Sid.

motion 09-28-2017 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanPizzle (Post 9755175)
So Cal product manager with tech company should be $160-200K. Figure out what you need to make an hour as 1099 from that with self employment taxes.

Thanks for that! I dug around Glassdoor a bit, and they seem to indicate a range of $145K-$180K for SoCal product managers.

motion 09-28-2017 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 9755049)
Yeah and what would you do with a second Gulfstream... I get it...

Money isn't everything, Tabs.

NutmegCarrera 09-28-2017 06:13 PM

Sounds like a great opportunity and a nice position to be in.
Congrats and good luck for you and the organization.
Sounds like the subject of comp is more about marking the price for your position appropriately more so than you looking to maximize your earnings (like most of us who rely on our day job).
To make it interesting, might you set the package with a fixed potion as well as a variable portion - to incentivize schedule, budget, or some marketing related metric? That allows the business the opportunity to pay appropriately, and give you the ability to set some goals - if only to keep it interesting for you.

In any case - we always perform best when both appreciated and internally motivated.

JacobS911 09-28-2017 06:36 PM

Sounds like a good opportunity, and you're in a great spot to help out. Since he's a friend, and money and equity isn't your main objective here.. maybe a lower salary with a annual bonus/equity plan would be something to look at. Keeps monthly money costs low which is great for a startup, but gives you a chance to make a decent bonus for a job well done.

onewhippedpuppy 09-28-2017 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by motion (Post 9755396)
Its a startup, Sid.

Interesting thread. I don't care about money but how much should I get paid? Seems rather contradictory. I do favors for friends for free....


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