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cabmandone 10-20-2017 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Douglas (Post 9784448)
My guess would be you're still running too lean and it's running out of gas at the top end.

I have been thinking that as well. My problem is, with each run my plug looks really good!
I think I'll go out and put a plug in it, take it for a ride, do some WOT runs and see how it looks when I get back in. I'll post a pic when I'm done.

cabmandone 10-20-2017 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by unclebilly (Post 9784464)
Looks like Rotax kart engines are falling out of flavour. This would be a. Easy 28 HP for an Evo 125cc 2T.

My problem is, an engine swap is too easy. I'm not convinced I'm getting all that can be had from the engine I have on it. That's where my mind is now really. I want get it to its maximum capability, then if I blow it up, I'll find a wrecked 350-500cc 4 wheeler or a larger snowmobile and drop engine and trans in for some real fun!

Tervuren 10-20-2017 12:36 PM

It seems to me with difference road/offroad, that you are hitting a friction = torque barrier rather.

Shorter gearing or shorter tires if you aren't getting high enough in RPM would probably be the solution.

unclebilly 10-20-2017 12:50 PM

By the way, your problem is gearing. I just went through this on my brother's kart. These engines make power in the top end but don't offer much bottom end. You need to gear it lower to take advantage of the power in the higher revs.

1990C4S 10-20-2017 01:13 PM

O2 sensor and a voltmeter...

cabmandone 10-20-2017 01:36 PM

Okay! So I put a new plug in and drove it across the field about 1/8 mile for a warm up. Ran WOT on the way back. There's no lean stumble when opening it up which would seem to indicate the idle circuit is good but the plug looks like it's lean.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1508535332.jpg

cabmandone 10-20-2017 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by unclebilly (Post 9784514)
By the way, your problem is gearing. I just went through this on my brother's kart. These engines make power in the top end but don't offer much bottom end. You need to gear it lower to take advantage of the power in the higher revs.

Yep. According to the engine chart I posted, it's making 9 hp at 4000 RPM. My problem is, I don't think I'm getting to the 4000 rpm range. I'm still waiting for my friend to bring me his digital tach so I can pop it on and compare to what mine is showing. On the WOT run my tach indicated I wasn't getting over 3250 running across the field. Regretfully I live on a small 2 lane hwy so I don't want to put it out on the road on a Friday (State Hwy Patrol runs it more often on the weekend) so I'm going to drive through a field about 1/2 mile to 1 mile country road and have at it! I'm going to bring some tools and play around. My "neighbors" will probably think I have lost it. At this point I'm not sure if they wouldn't be right. :D

cabmandone 10-20-2017 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 1990C4S (Post 9784546)
O2 sensor and a voltmeter...

You say that... but now I'm wishing I had bought a handheld AFR rather than my mounted unit in my 911. I could have clipped it to the exhaust and checked AFR's... dang it!

Scott Douglas 10-20-2017 02:08 PM

Can you fatten the main circuit easily?
If so, I'd fatten until you know it's too fat then lean a little bit from that.

FWIW, my 912 would pull redline but had a 'reluctance to accelerate' in top gear. Dyno test showed it was leaning out at the top end. Fattened it ran like a scalded dog with a real push in the back effect.

cabmandone 10-20-2017 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Douglas (Post 9784640)
Can you fatten the main circuit easily?
If so, I'd fatten until you know it's too fat then lean a little bit from that.

FWIW, my 912 would pull redline but had a 'reluctance to accelerate' in top gear. Dyno test showed it was leaning out at the top end. Fattened it ran like a scalded dog with a real push in the back effect.

That's the trouble with this type of carb, in order to go richer on the main, I have to drill it. There is no adjustment screw for the main jet. I can however add some on the idle side which will make it richer throughout. I'm going to start there but my concern is I'll get too rich on the idle side which will affect my low end response.

LEAKYSEALS951 10-20-2017 03:03 PM

At very least you could fatten the idle side to diagnose the high end issue, understanding idle will suck during testing, and if it turns out the high end leaning is the culprit, go back and drill it, then lean the idle back to where it was.

Go do this right now- quickly! before it gets dark!!:D

cabmandone 10-20-2017 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LEAKYSEALS951 (Post 9784692)
At very least you could fatten the idle side to diagnose the high end issue, understanding idle will suck during testing, and if it turns out the high end leaning is the culprit, go back and drill it, then lean the idle back to where it was.

Go do this right now- quickly! before it gets dark!!:D

I gave the idle screw 1/4 turn out and went after the main. I'm at a #57 bit at this point which I think is a .0430 bit. Still no more RPM's :mad:
Plug doesn't look bad. I'm gonna hit it tomorrow morning again!

asphaltgambler 10-20-2017 03:47 PM

The answer is shorter / higher numerically final drive ratio. What ever is the easiest to do - which is chain/ sprocket side of things. Trying either 1 tooth less on small drive sprocket - or add 4 teeth on the large driven sprocket.

asphaltgambler 10-20-2017 03:49 PM

Further, even with more power and or reducing weight - the final drive remains too tall to do what you want.

cabmandone 10-20-2017 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by asphaltgambler (Post 9784753)
The answer is shorter / higher numerically final drive ratio. What ever is the easiest to do - which is chain/ sprocket side of things. Trying either 1 tooth less on small drive sprocket - or add 4 teeth on the large driven sprocket.

Here's where I get lost. As stated this uses a Comet series 40 driver pulley. It goes back to a Driven pulley on a jackshaft that also has a 12 tooth sprocket. From there a chain connects to a sprocket on another jackshaft that has a 24 tooth sprocket. On that same jackshaft there is an 18 tooth sprocket which then goes to the axle which is a 60 tooth sprocket. So where do I start putting the sprockets?? I'd like to simplify things but regretfully I think in order to do so I'd have to get rid of my reverse gearbox and I don't really want to lose reverse as I do take this thing down inside a woods and it's nice to be able to back away from a mess I got myself into or almost got myself into.

nota 10-20-2017 04:37 PM

robin is a very good golf cart motor but not a go-cart racer
I don't think there is a lot of hop up stuff for it

the honda clone [china] single 390 or 420 has a fair bit of up grades out there
or go nuts with a built 460cc version
they start with a big tork and hp advantage before the ad on's
and some claim way over 25 hp with cams springs forged rods ect
that is the hot single in golf cart hop ups
and not a lot bigger or heaver then the robin

the next is the B&S V twins because of lawnmower racing
there are lots of stuff to make power with them

HardDrive 10-20-2017 04:43 PM

Holy schit does that look fun. Folks that live in the country get to do things us us urban critters don't.

nota 10-20-2017 04:49 PM

that plug don't have much gap !
a bit bigger spark [gap] mite help the hi-end

cabmandone 10-20-2017 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by nota (Post 9784827)
that plug don't have much gap !
a bit bigger spark [gap] mite help the hi-end

I shot in the middle of the recommended range. I think the range was .24 to .28 so I went .26. I now have a collection of plugs from doing runs, making adjustments, checking the burn and then dropping in a clean plug for verification. I think I'll gap one over the high end a bit and see if it makes a difference.

cabmandone 10-20-2017 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by nota (Post 9784821)
robin is a very good golf cart motor but not a go-cart racer
I don't think there is a lot of hop up stuff for it

the honda clone [china] single 390 or 420 has a fair bit of up grades out there
or go nuts with a built 460cc version
they start with a big tork and hp advantage before the ad on's
and some claim way over 25 hp with cams springs forged rods ect
that is the hot single in golf cart hop ups
and not a lot bigger or heaver then the robin

the next is the B&S V twins because of lawnmower racing
there are lots of stuff to make power with them

I might have to swallow my pride and take my brother up on the 18 hp. horizontal shaft Briggs he took off a mower. I just can't help but feel like there's something in gearing that I'm trying to overcome. I'm thinking of going down 3 inches on tire width from an eleven to an eight and going with more of a turf tire as this isn't really a mudder. I would think that would reduce rolling friction somewhat considerably by getting rid of 6 inches overall of tire. Not to mention it might help the thing fit in the back of my truck!


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