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wdfifteen 01-15-2018 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 9877698)
Fint, you seem to read very selectively a lot of the time. You ignore what might serve to undermine your point, and greatly expand on irrelevant items that would serve to support it.

Yes, but very high level people, both in government and in the media, send him emails looking for advice based on his posts here. Maybe Fint's devious behavior is the genesis of theirs.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1516085195.jpg

:D:D

KFC911 01-16-2018 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 9887311)
Hate to see folks insult the military.

I've never insulted the military in my life fint :(

I hate for folks to insult my intelligence with bogus bs too though :)

If you ever want to lose some money fint...make a bet, and let's make it worth our time.....

I bet it wouldn't be hard to find plenty of 20 somethings that will confirm that they drank beer, ILLEGALLY, while serving in the AF....or even before they signed up...just like many teens do.

fintstone 01-16-2018 03:17 AM

And you can get a photo of them doing so and their ID? I can’t imagine any would be so stupid. Seems like an insult right there...that they would be so stupid (on top of your claims regarding their total disregard of the oath they took).

As far as before they entered the service, that is something different entirely.

All U can give you is my experience. Over 40 years service and never witnessed it once...although I have seen where a few folks did and were caught...and kicked out of the service. You guys likely spend more time in bars that let underaged kids drink more than I do.

fintstone 01-16-2018 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 9887446)
Yes, but very high level people, both in government and in the media, send him emails looking for advice based on his posts here. Maybe Fint's devious behavior is the genesis of theirs.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1516085195.jpg

:D:D

There is good reason no one asks for yours. Come back when you have an intelligent argument vice your typical purely personal attack.

KFC911 01-16-2018 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 9887537)
And you can get a photo of them doing so and their ID? I can’t imagine any would be so stupid. Seems like an insult right there...that they would be so stupid (on top of your claims regarding their total disregard of the oath they took).

As far as before they entered the service, that is something different entirely.

All U can give you is my experience. Over 40 years service and never witnessed it once...although I have seen where a few folks did and were caught...and kicked out of the service. You guys likely spend more time in bars that let underaged kids drink more than I do.

....out of touch you are. I did a LOT of stupid schit as a youngin', and understand the "other side" a LOT better than you....'cause I've been paying attention to human nature, btdt, and learned mucho along the way....

Why is what a guy in the military did "before entering" not relevent? I think that's the point of this thread....

If any of you guys reading this thread have kids in the military....ask them. Do underage kids in the military wait until they are 21 to have their first drink of alcohol....legally? Or have a huge percentage broken a stupid law....same as it ever was :)

fintstone 01-16-2018 04:22 AM

Why would you expect people that are not in the military to be concerned with military law or oath?

I don’t see how the military has any relationship to this thread (you brought it it for some reason) unless it has to with whether laws and fear of punishment have anything to do with preventing people from breaking the law. The punishment for underage drinking is a slap on the wrist for most...but the consequences are severe in the military...said marijuana use. Increased penalties certainly reduce crime...although they cannot eliminate it. People are caught for breaking the law in the AF all the time as catching folks is a huge effort...with constant drug testing and every car is stopped at the gate and the guard is tasked with trying to smell each car for alcohol or MJ. Dorms are constantly inspected and cars are stopped regularly at the gates for random search. Only a total fool would break those laws and relatively few do.

KFC911 01-16-2018 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 9887578)
Why would you expect people that are not in the military to be concerned with military law or oath?

I don’t see how the military has any relationship to this thread (you brought it it for some reason) unless it has to with whether laws and fear of punishment have anything to do with preventing people from breaking the law. The punishment for underage drinking is a slap on the wrist for most...but the consequences are severe in the military...said marijuana use. Increased penalties certainly reduce crime...although they cannot eliminate it. People are caught for breaking the law in the AF all the time as catching folks is a huge effort...with constant drug testing and every car is stopped at the gate and the guard is tasked with trying to smell each car for alcohol or MJ. Dorms are constantly inspected and cars are stopped regularly at the gates for random search. Only a total fool would break those laws and relatively few do.

....while they are on base...I agree 100%.

If you've convinced yourself they don't break law "on their own time", that's OK...I just know better :)

john70t 01-16-2018 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 9887157)
I don't think so. The risk and punishment are too great. I bet you cannot find a single one.

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 9887578)
Only a total fool would break those laws and relatively few do.

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Although the first claim was descriptive and specifically left vague, this looks like a relaxing from a stance.
Hmmm. The fint is capable of incorporating real world circumstance into an argument.
And human fallibility is always a given, not a question.

fintstone 01-16-2018 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by john70t (Post 9887705)
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Although the first claim was descriptive and specifically left vague, this looks like a relaxing from a stance.
Hmmm. The fint is capable of incorporating real world circumstance into an argument.
And human fallibility is always a given, not a question.

I don’t think he can find a single one. There are always people who break the law...as evidenced by the fact that they are kicked out for getting caught. But, since the circumstances are different (strong enforcement), I believe the occurrences more rare than the similar nonmilitary demographic (can only speak for the AF). Hence, the suggestion that making MJ use legal would not result in more use seems spurious to me...and the AF example shows just the opposite that the one that introduced it intended.

wdfifteen 01-16-2018 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 9887540)
Come back when you have an intelligent argument vice your typical purely personal attack.

Fint, the perpetual victim, a "man" for whom quoting his own words makes him a victim of a personal attack.

fintstone 01-16-2018 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 9888751)
Fint, the perpetual victim, a "man" for whom quoting his own words makes him a victim of a personal attack.

Not my words and not on topic. Just an opportunity for a cheap shot. But you have never been very honest, have you?

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 9887446)
... Maybe Fint's devious behavior is the genesis of theirs...

You should work on your argument, you might not need such low tactics to try to make yourself relevant.

wdfifteen 01-16-2018 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 9888765)
Not my words and not on topic. J

Yes, they are your words. Anything you say is relevant to a topic you engage in when it illuminates to your honestly and integrity - or lack thereof.

fintstone 01-16-2018 06:46 PM

Why lie?

Clearly not my words:
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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 9887446)
... Maybe Fint's devious behavior is the genesis of theirs...


wdfifteen 01-16-2018 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 9888809)
Why lie?

Clearly not my words:

Of course they are your words. You may have deleted your post in shame and embarrassment, but it has been memorialized by a poster named Black, as shown in this screen shot..

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1516161487.jpg

Jims5543 01-16-2018 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Iciclehead (Post 9877666)
I agree with your point, it is highly unlikely that an lawmaker would want to or be able to pass a law that gives a tool to LE to hassle, however, to build on your point perhaps, there is an issue with LE doing selective enforcement so that they can indulge their particular upset or prejudice.

Example, son got pulled over repeatedly for 1 or 2 kmh over the limit for a period of time as he is Asian in appearance and was driving a hot hatchback. He apparently got up their nose because the first time he was pulled over he asked (correctly) "are you arresting me or am I free to go" after producing the needed documents.

He refused to allow them to search his vehicle without them stating their probable cause (there was none) and then he was a marked man for the cops working that area.

Now, it worked out Ok as he made it known that he would fight a 3 kmh over ticket and they knew it would be thrown out of court, but he still got pulled over 10+ times over the course of a few weeks. In rush hour no less.

I have a problem with LE doing this kind of thing, if any one of us were followed, there is undoubtedly no end of infractions that would fringe the law's edges and could be prosecuted.

LE are humans too...and some of them are pretty bad humans so they do not get an automatic bye for bad behaviour as they know they can make your life miserable if they want and some of them do just that.

Lawmakers deserve even more opprobrium in my books by writing laws to a level of detail either giving far too much leeway for LE interpretation or far too little.

Net result is the same, we need our LE to be colour blind just as Our Lady of Justice is and too many of them are not. Those need to be weeded out with all the passion of a fat kid on a box of Smarties as they bring justice and rule of law into disrepute.

Dennis

I will tell an opposite story.

My son purchased a $500 E30 that was impounded by the police and sat for years, the PO was arrested on drug charges. The car was purchased by a Pelican and was going to be used for a 24 Hours of Lemons then everyone backed out. He sold it to my son.

My son was 15 at the time, we worked on that car for a year to make it road worthy. He drove it to school.

The police were doing "dog training" in the student parking lot, guess which car triggered the dog? My sons druggies impound car. He was pulled from class and asked to open the car up for a search. Se obliged because he has nothing to hide. He even showed the sops the cool hiding places in the car to look for drugs. (I should add his street cred in HS went through the ceiling because he was being yanked out of class by the police)

I received a phone call that same day from the school resource officer, her first told me I had the coolest son ever and told me what happened, he also said he helped them find cubby holes and places where drugs could be hidden. My son loves firearms so the conversation went to their carries and they were impressed with his knowledge.

He made friends that day, which would come in handy as he got into a fender bender in front of the school,

The resource officer remembered him and called me immediately and asked me to come down. We were able to negotiate paying for damage and not getting insurance involved, no police report, no ticket (My son was at fault) and no harm, everyone was happy.

He sold that E30 for a tidy profit and purchased another E30 from another Pelican that saved an 325is from the Junkyard, but still needed some TLC. That one was black on black....

Side story, my son is a real life Kimi Raikkonen, when he purchased the $500 E30 his emotional response was a slight smile My friend (RickV) was somewhat concerned he did not like that car. After we left he called another forum guy and expressed his concern, this guy knows my son well, he asked Rick, did he smile a little? Rick said yes, then the other guy said, that means he was excited.

He was dubbed the Iceman after that, homage to Kimi.

A Euro tag was purchased by his GF at the time that said Iceman on it and was placed on the front of the Black E30. Iceman can also mean Meth dealer.

He was pulled over so many times in that car and searched and every time he would laugh and tell them to have at it. Showing them the places they missed etc.. getting into a convo on guns. Making friends.

He has never played the search warrant game with them. He has never had an issue with it.

My best friend was a street cop and my son knows him well and my cousin is one as well.

Both have told me the same thing when I was arguing over my disdain for speed traps. You will be amazed how many bad people they pull off the streets via speed traps. They are dumb and speed when they have warrants out. So many times a routine stop turns into an arrest and a bad guy that may have stolen from you is off the street.

BTW my son is Wonder White Bread so no racial profiling here. Not once was he in fear of his life, he always listened to the nice police man.

fintstone 01-16-2018 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 9888824)
Of course they are your words. You may have deleted your post in shame and embarrassment, but it has been memorialized by a poster named Black.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1516161487.jpg

Obviously those words are not the insult I was referring to. It is the clear insult that I quoted twice. Of course you knew that.

Your constant reposting of my words in your byline is not insulting to me in the least. In fact, it is flattering that they make you angry and wet with twittery that you have to make personal attacks and then lie about them.

Why lie when it is there in writing for everyone to see? If you want to continually insult me instead of joining the conversation, man up and admit it.

wdfifteen 01-16-2018 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 9888834)

Your constant reposting of my words in your byline is not insulting to me in the least. In fact, it is flattering that they make you angry and wet with twittery that you have to make personal attacks and then lie about them. .

I am loath to strike another blow to your obviously fragile ego, but I do not use a byline. I'm sorry to disappoint, but if you look back on my posts you will note that I haven't used a byline for years.

fintstone 01-16-2018 07:39 PM

Hate to break it to you...but you just posted one in posts 81 and 94

...and it wasn't even original. You stole it from another idiot.

wdfifteen 01-16-2018 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 9888874)
Hate to break it to you...but you just posted one in posts 81 and 94

Those are quotes Fint - screen shots. Anyone can see that.

fintstone 01-16-2018 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 9888884)
Those are quotes Fint. Anyone can see that.

Are they? Nothing to indicate that. No quotation marks. Not quoted the way posts are normally quoted here. Who did you quote? Not a cut and paste of one of my posts.

Posted where a byline would be. Looks like byline to me. Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

Are you about finished playing thread-kill yet?

wdfifteen 01-16-2018 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 9888894)
Are they? Nothing to indicate that. No quotation marks.

One does not normally put quotes around a screen shot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 9888894)
Not quoted the way posts are normally quoted here. Who did you quote? Not a cut and paste of one of my posts.

It is a screen shot of your words. But as I said before, you may have deleted the post out of embarrassment.

fintstone 01-16-2018 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 9888913)
One does not normally put quotes around a screen shot.



It is a screen shot of your words. But as I said before, you may have deleted the post out of embarrassment.

Not a screen shot of anything I posted. Try again.

I don't delete my posts. Do you? Maybe you should as you are making a fool out of yourself.

fintstone 01-16-2018 08:39 PM

You have used as a byline in other threads. Fess up.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1516167543.jpg

wdfifteen 01-16-2018 09:06 PM

It;d be fif the G

fintstone 01-16-2018 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 9888954)
It;d be fif the G

???

wdfifteen 01-17-2018 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 9888956)
???

Distracted typing - wife telling me to come to bed.

I'm through with this thread. If you can't tell a screen shot of your words from a signature line there is no use talking to you.

fintstone 01-17-2018 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 9889102)
Distracted typing - wife telling me to come to bed.

I'm through with this thread. If you can't tell a screen shot of your words from a signature line there is no use talking to you.

LOL. You know it is a sig line...that you stole from another poster (not a screen shot of any of my posts)..and you pated it where your sig line would be...multiple times.

You never wanted to talk to me...just to make a drive-by insult. Just like you (and guys like you) do in PARF. You did not address the topic at all. Anything to prevent adult discussion that you disagree with.

fintstone 01-17-2018 07:08 AM

https://www.inverse.com/article/40228-chronic-marijuana-smoking-addiction-depression

Smoking marijuana is becoming increasingly legal and mainstream in the United States. More than 33 million adults identify as pot smokers, and teenagers in particular are feeling more comfortable with weed, thanks to its status as a safe drug.

That cultural shift may need some rethinking. A new study suggests that there can be potential negative long-term effects of heavy marijuana use — especially if people begin smoking at a young age. Published last November in the journal Biological Psychiatry: Cognitive Neuroscience, the findings are part of a larger effort by scientists at the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism to better understand the effects of chronic smoking, a murky issue.

According to the study, heavy marijuana use was linked to changes in the parts of the brain that are involved in reward processing and habit formation. Cameron Carter, Ph.D., the editor of Biological Psychiatry, explained in a statement released Monday that this suggests “heavy use of this popular drug may lead to depression and other even more severe forms of mental illness.”

Long term cannabis use appears to alter the parts of the brain linked to negative emotion.
Early onset cannabis use was associated with a higher risk for poor neuropsychiatric outcomes.

Scientists analyzed resting brain data from 441 people between the ages of 22 and 35, already collected through the Human Connectome Project, a collaboration between the University of Southern California and Harvard University to map the structural and functional neural connections of individuals. Thirty of these study participants were already established as meeting the DSM criteria for marijuana dependence. The research team also assessed the brain scans of 30 people between the same ages who did not smoke marijuana as a control group.

They discovered that the individuals who had starting using cannabis early in life exhibited the most significant changes in their brain’s subcortical volumes, as well as changes to the functional connectivity density in the brain’s ventral striatum, midbrain, brainstem, and lateral thalamus. The scientists explain that these changes, described as “hyperconnectivity,” end up disturbing resting brain functions associated with habit formation, reward processing, and the development of psychosis (defined as when one’s emotions and thoughts aren’t in touch with reality).

These individuals also reported the highest levels of negative emotions. The study’s authors think that makes sense, since these brain alternations are often associated with heightened feelings of negativity and alienation — which they reason is why people who are dependent on marijuana often report that they feel a sense of rejection from others.

The study links an increased risk for psychosis to cannabis abuse.

This study adds to the growing number of studies that have found heavy smoking can be linked to psychosis, cognitive impairments, and depression — an effect driven by the low dopamine release seen in the brains of chronic users.

Scientists are still learning why these effects manifest, and they suspect THC, the most famous active chemical compound in cannabis, is to blame. Another chemical compound in cannabis, CBD, has been found to have the opposite effect: A study published in December found that CBD could be useful in treating psychotic disorders.

It’s clear these days marijuana use is not the death knell that health advocates early last century feared it was. On the other hand, new studies like this also emphasize that there’s still a ton we don’t know about how drugs affect the brain, especially in the long run.

wdfifteen 01-17-2018 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 9889147)
LOL. You know it is a sig line...that you stole from another poster (not a screen shot of any of my posts)..and you pated it where your sig line would be...multiple times.

I cut and pasted it only in posts where I ridiculed your ridiculous claim that high level people in government and the media monitor your posts to get their ideas. It is simply presented as proof that you actually made that absurd assertion. It appears in none of my other posts. It is not a sig line, it is a screen shot of your words. Good for a laugh.

I once vowed not to get involved in another one of Fint's ridiculous pissing contests. It appears I have fallen off the wagon. I apologize to anyone who has wasted time reading this BS.

fintstone 01-17-2018 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 9890160)
I cut and pasted it only in posts where I ridiculed your ridiculous claim that high level people in government and the media monitor your posts to get their ideas. It is simply presented as proof that you actually made that absurd assertion. It appears in none of my other posts. It is not a sig line, it is a screen shot of your words. Good for a laugh.

I once vowed not to get involved in another one of Fint's ridiculous pissing contests. It appears I have fallen off the wagon. I apologize to anyone who has wasted time reading this BS.

Sure it was...LOL. Just like a couple of posts ago when you said
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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 9889102)
...I'm through with this thread...

I know...you just dropped in to a thread about enforcing illegal *** and the best argument you could come up with a personal insult to me (nothing on the topic). Name-calling is pretty weak sauce.

What did you expect...no, what did you ask for if not a pissing contest? Do other folks just agree with you when you insult them? Get over yourself and act like an adult if you want to be treated as one.

Of course...a screen shot of someone else's sig line posted on multiple posts (on multiple threads) of yours where the sig line goes looks nothing like a sig line? Are you serious? Get a grip. If you can't discuss the topic at hand, why not just STFU?

fintstone 01-21-2018 12:04 PM

Girl, 9, unknowingly hands out THC-laced candy to classmates, school s

Which of these gummi bears is pot infused? Can you tell? Can your kid?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1420519064.jpg

The one on the left.

Gogar 01-21-2018 12:06 PM

Any good kid would eat both.

dan88911 01-21-2018 05:29 PM

Nine yr. old girls parents are the problem.

gacook 01-22-2018 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 9887318)
I don't think obeying the law takes nonhumans...similarly, I don't see much difficulty respecting the oath they took. Didn't you when you served?

I must not be human as I did not drink underage in the service. I did not even consider doing so.

Having been an 18-20 year old man in the Army, with MANY 18-20 year old Air Force friends, I can personally attest that they drank underage quite often. Anecdotal, but finding one out of the couple hundred or so I hung out/drank with on a fairly regular basis would be cake ;)

KFC911 01-22-2018 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by gacook (Post 9896167)
Having been an 18-20 year old man in the Army, with MANY 18-20 year old Air Force friends, I can personally attest that they drank underage quite often. Anecdotal, but finding one out of the couple hundred or so I hung out/drank with on a fairly regular basis would be cake ;)

They don't do that no mo....ask fint :(

If he ever wants to lose a bundle....he'll bet me that I can't find any though :)

He lives in Bedrock....not the real world evidently....

gacook 01-22-2018 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 9896181)
They don't do that no mo....ask fint :(

If he ever wants to lose a bundle....he'll bet me that I can't find any though :)

He lives in Bedrock....not the real world evidently....

I'm not quite as old as many here...I was 18-20 in the very late '90s. ;)


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